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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:52 pm  
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http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5p-4_Morgan.html


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:09 pm  
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Usdk wrote:


Ah, a pseudonymous article from a Holocaust-denial website. I guess the issue is settled.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:14 pm  
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Then again, dudes who take community college courses on history are always more qualified than history majors.


This really means nothing, I'm not saying I'm right because I was a history major.

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Ah, a pseudonymous article from a Holocaust-denial website. I guess the issue is settled.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:16 pm  
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bwahaha glad you caught that.

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I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone.[24


He didn't like slavery, sure, but he sure as shit didn't like black people either. Say the civil war is about slavery all you want, it makes you feel good thats fine. It was over strong federal vs strong state power. I'm trying to find a copy of the letter from lincoln to a zebulon vance(NC governor during the civil war era) that stated the south could keep their slaves if they stayed in the union but google is being uncooperative.


He wanted to preserve the union first and foremost. slavery was just one of the issues.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:57 pm  
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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.


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In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.


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We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.


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In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.


Clearly not about slavery at all.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
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He didn't like slavery, sure, but he sure as shit didn't like black people either.


This has absolutely nothing to do with the issues we're talking about.

The rest of your post only concerns what the north did, but the north didn't start the war. I've already stated they didn't fight to free slaves but to put down the rebellion, a rebellion that wouldn't have happened without slavery.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
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Really? cuz I thought it was legal via the constitution to secede from the union, which the some states in the south wanted to do, and Sumter wasn't attacked til 6 days after south carolina seceded from the union.

which I believe would have made fort sumter property of the lolrepublic of south carolina(or whatever), considering its geographical location and all. which would mean the union troops inside were invaders.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
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Usdk wrote:
I thought it was legal via the constitution to secede from the union


It's not.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:29 pm  
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What happens if there is some conservative ground-swell, half the court goes tits up, and some right-wing weenie puts wackos on the court that decide to flip the bird to stare decises and they start tossing shit like Roe v. Wade out the window because going back to prohibiting abortion is "good policy?"


They've been trying (and gradually succeeding, sadly) to pick Roe v. Wade apart for the past 40 years.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
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Yuratuhl wrote:
Jubbergun wrote:
What happens if there is some conservative ground-swell, half the court goes tits up, and some right-wing weenie puts wackos on the court that decide to flip the bird to stare decises and they start tossing shit like Roe v. Wade out the window because going back to prohibiting abortion is "good policy?"


They've been trying (and gradually succeeding, sadly) to pick Roe v. Wade apart for the past 40 years.


Then you see the conundrum. Live by the court, die by the court.

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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
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No one's been claiming that any single entity is infallible. What I've been saying is it's too hard to change the rules politically, which leads to the Court having to step up. They're just as capable of fucking up royal.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
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Yes, and what I'm saying is that the electorate and state/federal government bodies share that fallibility, which is why the Constitution is written to make those changes difficult. It's not supposed to be a quick fix, it takes time exactly so that cooler heads prevail. When the Supreme Court does these "mental gymnastics," it's harder to not perform them for "good policy" in the future. The ease with which such changes can be implemented via the courts removes the necessity to make those changes via the proper amendment process, which not only incurs the possibility of the court's fallibility coming into play, but also removes the voting public from the process. It runs counter to all the safeguards built into the Constitution in general and the amendment process in particular, and without those safeguards, the Constitution really is nothing more than a scrap of paper with some scribbles put on it by slave-owners, and we may as well convert to mob-rule and/or rule by judiciary.

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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:20 pm  
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I have to admit, I have a tiny bit of interest in it. Thus far it has equaled only about 5 minutes, but it has been there.


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 Post subject: Re: The Royal Family and the Royal Wedding.
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Only good thing about the wedding I saw in passing was...
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