March 14:
Joklem wrote:
But to clarify: "they're trying to make it so the fucking things don't melt down"
The containment chambers are relatively intact, there's no meltdown.
There's no way to know how it's gonna go, that's what I'm saying.
that is data as given by the engineers/operators in the field. They don't even have all of the data available to describe the situation accurately, which means that the media doesn't either. They might have an official/engineer/operator's opinion or interpretation, but they're just that.
Aestu wrote:
If the temperature is rising on its own, or not cooling at a steady pace, then obviously the core is undergoing uncontrolled fission (i.e., meltdown).
May 24th,
ten weeks later:
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Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) has confirmed the meltdown of extra fuel rods in reactors at its damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant.
The company said that the rods were in its Number 2 and Number 3 reactors.
Earlier this month, Tepco had revealed that rods at its Number 1 reactor melted down. It was thought that a similar problem had occurred in the other reactors but it was difficult to confirm.
"Based on our analysis, we have reached the conclusion that a certain amount of nuclear fuel has melted down," Ken Matsuda, a Tepco spokesman told the BBC.
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March 14:
Joklem wrote:
I haven’t seen any evidence that Japanese officials are lying about anything. They’re already taking maximum precautions by evacuating people and handing out iodine pills. There is no effort here to ‘save face’ or obscure anything. There is no policeman telling passers-by to move along because there is nothing to see here. There are even officials suggesting that the control rods are melting! That’s a Big Fucking Deal. You’re confusing skepticism with paranoia, and ending up on the side of the fence where you’re convinced “they’re out to get you.” OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOh…I’m a ghost, fear me because The Establishment says I don’t exist, therefore I must!
The media is full of sensationalist speculation and I'll stick to NISA's data, unless they're covering something up it doesn't look as bas as half of what you read in said media.
Aestu wrote:
Why should we take the people with the most incentive to lie, who have lied in the past about this very issue, at face value?
Of course, the reasons that lies are told and Japanese ministries make smokescreens is because the world is full of fools who think they're on the inside track when really they're just eating up the BS laid down for them. I'm sure if this were 1986 you'd be going on about how Gorby would never lie to us, either.
May 24th,
ten weeks later:
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Professor Akiyama said that the IAEA had come under criticism for its reaction to the Fukushima crisis.
"First of all, it has not been able to provide the information on what's going on on the ground," he said. "Secondly, it hasn't been able to provide a prescription for the solution of the crisis."
Japan's government has faced some criticism at home, and from its neighbours, over its handling of the crisis at the Fukushima nuclear power station.
The Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano has said the team from the International Atomic Energy Agency is being welcomed into the country to demonstrate transparency.
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I see this dynamic recurring from a mile away. I see it all the time. I see it as soon as someone praises my intelligence only to second guess me the next day. I've gotten this shit since I was a child. I appear arrogant because I am accustomed to being right and others being wrong and every time I give into the whimpering of idiots who second-guess me, I'm invariably proven correct after the fact. When I don't, I get made to be the arrogant bad guy, then I don't get mailed roses after I'm proven correct the next day.
So after many years I come to the point where I simply don't give a damn about "those people" being butthurt because they see me as arrogant - because I've learned to block out the chorus of nay-sayers.