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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:03 am  
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It's not a double standard at all. I established the distinction. If you think that distinction is flawed then explain why.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:08 am  
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Because bullshit is like pornography: you may not be able to adequately define what it is, but you know it when you see it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:17 am  
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Actually, no. That's a cliche but it's provably untrue.

Pornography is a both a word that can be looked up in a dictionary and a legally defined term. Courts don't determine pornographic status wholly on discretion. If they did then first amendment rights would be unenforceable.

This is a study in the legal concept of "falsifiability": any statement that may be true must also be false under certain definable conditions.

Ironically I was considering the nature of porn as the best rebuttal to your own argument. Linking a jpeg of porn is not comparable to linking a jpeg that is factual evidence, despite the fact that they are both linked jpegs. One is actionable on this very forum and the other is not.

This corroborates my belief as to your probable courtroom behavior. You would not be able to function in a dialectical environment and you would have no choice but to be utterly withdrawn and manipulated by skilled participants.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:32 am  
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Aestu wrote:
Actually, no. That's a cliche but it's provably untrue.

Pornography is a both a word that can be looked up in a dictionary and a legally defined term. Courts don't determine pornographic status wholly on discretion. If they did then first amendment rights would be unenforceable.

This corroborates my belief as to your probable courtroom behavior. You would not be able to function in a dialectical environment and you would have no choice but to be utterly withdrawn and manipulated by skilled participants.


I would think since you've deemed yourself an expert on legal proceedings you'd be aware from whence the phrase I used originates. It's not a cliche at all. It's a quote from an actual concurrence written by a Supreme Court justice...and in itself is an admission that courts can and do determine pornographic status wholly on discretion.

I'd pretend to be surprised, but no matter how may like to spin your bullshit, you're generally ill-/misinformed, probably because you have a great degree of difficulty comprehending things that are written.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:41 am  
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How does that quote go, 'when you're convinced that everyone around you is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole?'

I can't believe neither one of you haven't grown tired of these antics and moved on by now. Like, are you both secretly getting off to this shit? More engaging than your hand around your dicks? Seriously, take a break and reevaluate how you want to interact on this forum - it's getting pretty (ob)noxious.

Nevermind, it already is.

I need more gin.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:11 am  
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Jubbergun wrote:
I would think since you've deemed yourself an expert on legal proceedings you'd be aware from whence the phrase I used originates. It's not a cliche at all. It's a quote from an actual concurrence written by a Supreme Court justice...and in itself is an admission that courts can and do determine pornographic status wholly on discretion.

I'd pretend to be surprised, but no matter how may like to spin your bullshit, you're generally ill-/misinformed, probably because you have a great degree of difficulty comprehending things that are written.


I know the source. You're still doing your thing of selectively citing facts that support your argument (what one judge said) while disregarding the facts that contradict it:

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This was modified in Memoirs v. Massachusetts (1966), in which obscenity was defined as anything patently offensive, appealing to prurient interest, and of no redeeming social value. Still, however, this left the ultimate decision of what constituted obscenity up to the whim of the courts, and did not provide an easily applicable standard for review by the lower courts. This changed in 1973 with Miller v. California.

The Miller case established what came to be known as the Miller Standard, which clearly articulated that three criteria must be met for a work to be legitimately subject to state regulations. The Court recognized the inherent risk in legislating what constitutes obscenity, and necessarily limited the scope of the criteria. The criteria were:

The average person, applying local community standards, looking at the work in its entirety, appeals to the prurient interest.

The work must describe or depict, in an obviously offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions

The work as a whole must lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific values”


So there you go. A judge said something, then everyone else said, "Fuck that shit, it doesn't work. We need definable criteria."

You are equating your own position with a form of reasoning that has been proven to be unworkable. You are, in essence, admitting that you are wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:58 am  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:08 am  
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Zaryi wrote:
How does that quote go, 'when you're convinced that everyone around you is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole?'

I can't believe neither one of you haven't grown tired of these antics and moved on by now. Like, are you both secretly getting off to this shit? More engaging than your hand around your dicks? Seriously, take a break and reevaluate how you want to interact on this forum - it's getting pretty (ob)noxious.

Nevermind, it already is.

I need more gin.


I'd just like to let you know that this the 5th or so post I've read in its entirety in this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:06 am  
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Aestu wrote:
I know the source.


We all know our widdle genius knew dat, he's just so cwever. ;)

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You're still doing your thing of selectively citing facts that support your argument...


My thing? If anything, you're just mad that I'm playing with your toys.

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This was modified in Memoirs v. Massachusetts (1966), in which obscenity was defined as anything patently offensive, appealing to prurient interest, and of no redeeming social value. Still, however, this left the ultimate decision of what constituted obscenity up to the whim of the courts, and did not provide an easily applicable standard for review by the lower courts. This changed in 1973 with Miller v. California.

The Miller case established what came to be known as the Miller Standard, which clearly articulated that three criteria must be met for a work to be legitimately subject to state regulations. The Court recognized the inherent risk in legislating what constitutes obscenity, and necessarily limited the scope of the criteria. The criteria were:

The average person, applying local community standards, looking at the work in its entirety, appeals to the prurient interest.

The work must describe or depict, in an obviously offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions

The work as a whole must lack “serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific values”


So there you go. A judge said something, then everyone else said, "Fuck that shit, it doesn't work. We need definable criteria."

You are equating your own position with a form of reasoning that has been proven to be unworkable. You are, in essence, admitting that you are wrong.


That's still nebulously defined and subjective criteria. I'm voting "Yes" on Prop 8675309, the "You're Wrong" referendum.

You're still full of bullshit, and it's still obvious to the casual observer, whether they can define why you're full of bullshit or not.

Zaryi wrote:
How does that quote go, 'when you're convinced that everyone around you is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole?'

I can't believe neither one of you haven't grown tired of these antics and moved on by now. Like, are you both secretly getting off to this shit? More engaging than your hand around your dicks? Seriously, take a break and reevaluate how you want to interact on this forum - it's getting pretty (ob)noxious.

Nevermind, it already is.

I need more gin.


Yes, I know, but I'm having a good time. Watching the mental contortions the poor guy is going through to justify his behavior after having his hypocrisy held up in front of him...how many times now? I count at least three times that people have posted quoting him saying some behavior is unacceptable followed by another quote of him doing that exact thing? It is terribly entertaining to me. I know it makes me a bad person to take such a degree of pleasure in someone else's suffering, but since I don't mind being a bad person, I don't feel any need to stop.

I'm surprised Mayo has allowed this roll on for as long as it has without some sort of discussion.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:17 pm  
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Zaryi wrote:
I need more gin.


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I'm surprised Mayo has allowed this roll on for as long as it has without some sort of discussion.

We're past discussions, considering its a constant "Mayo is Hitler" fest until I actually bring up a good point and the thread entirely vacates. What's realistically going to happen is that one day I'm gonna log on drunk and just permaban Aestu and probably Eturnal if he throws a bitchfit.

I'm done trying to reason with you people and since the chainsaw surgery thing only just made the same 3 idiots start making 3 threads a day instead of derailing them (which is an improvement, i guess), I'm debating just nuking whole threads.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:50 pm  
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Mns wrote:
We're past discussions, considering its a constant "Mayo is Hitler" fest until I actually bring up a good point and the thread entirely vacates. What's realistically going to happen is that one day I'm gonna log on drunk and just permaban Aestu and probably Eturnal if he throws a bitchfit.


After this week's demonstration, I find myself far less likely to object than I have on previous occasions.

Just sayin'.

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Mns wrote:
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I'm surprised Mayo has allowed this roll on for as long as it has without some sort of discussion.

We're past discussions, considering its a constant "Mayo is Hitler" fest until I actually bring up a good point and the thread entirely vacates. What's realistically going to happen is that one day I'm gonna log on drunk and just permaban Aestu and probably Eturnal if he throws a bitchfit.

I'm done trying to reason with you people and since the chainsaw surgery thing only just made the same 3 idiots start making 3 threads a day instead of derailing them (which is an improvement, i guess), I'm debating just nuking whole threads.

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User Banned: Eturnalshift
Ban Type:READ ONLY
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- Spamming
- I guess we're doing the whole cycle again where you throw a pissy fit for a while, I ban you for a day, then you whimper like a beaten puppy for a couple months.
This ban will be revoked in One Day.


RETIRED.
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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:23 pm  
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This is the best part and nothing will top it.

This thread and every other thread like it, with the exception of the marine thread which I specifically said I wouldn't lock, is now closed.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:36 pm  
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Zaryi wrote:
I need more gin.


All I know about gin is that there's this stuff called BEEFEATER on the shelves at my liquor store.

They say you can't judge a book by it's cover, but with a name like that, how can one go wrong.

Also, abusing admin privileges posting in a locked thread.


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