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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:52 pm  
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As I noted in my post, I'm totally on board with this idea. End the obsolete concept of "two people becoming one", at least in the eyes of the state. What these people believe religiously, whatever. However, in order for this to come to pass, there would have to be an entire restructuring of the processes that protect the rights of both parties in the event of a break up. Partnerships would have to have pre-nups that lay out the ground rules. Hmm. Sounds like lawyers win again. Also, any benefits granted to people simply by virtue of calling themselves married would be lost... otherwise the state is back in it again. Still...I agree with the concept.


Not really. I'll admit, I'm not too familiar with the legal aspect of the process of getting married, but if something like this would come around, I'd imagine it wouldn't take that much restructuring. Just sign some documents and have it witnessed and you're legally a couple in the eyes of the law.

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I've become of a fan of late, of abolishing 'marriage' as a civil/legal act entirely. Let the religions keep their marriages, but if you want your partnership to be a legally binding contract, it has to be a civil union - which would be blind to the sex of the couple.


My dad, me and my step brother had a discussion about this exact thing not long ago.


And how'd that turn out?


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Not really. I'll admit, I'm not too familiar with the legal aspect of the process of getting married, but if something like this would come around, I'd imagine it wouldn't take that much restructuring. Just sign some documents and have it witnessed and you're legally a couple in the eyes of the law.



The problem is not really in the getting married, it is in the getting divorced. If you have to notify the government that you are officially a couple, all you've done is changed from calling it "marriage" to "civil union". You can't simply change what you call it, you must change the government's involvement. Everyone should retain his/her individual identity, as far as the government is concerned, imo. To give people total freedom in this decision, you must eliminate the interest of the government in the affair. You want to be "married" or have a "civil union", lay out some ground rules and go for it, I say...on a personal level.


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1. What do you think of marriage as an institution?

Religious faggotry tbh, and a way to gain a tax advantage.

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2. Why are divorce rates so high?


Because it's 2010, and not the Stone Ages. You won't be excommunicated from your family for getting a divorce, or called a whore, etc.
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3. Do people have unrealistic expectations for relationships?


This question is asking for a generalization, so in general, I would say yes. Especially considering all the lovey-dovey 16-20 year old kids thinking they're in love. Love is a process, not a destination. It is constantly evolving. In order to remain in love you need to recognize this, and adapt to meet the needs of your partner and vice versa. Love is compromise and understanding, and in an age of self entitled assholes and bitches this is a rarity.
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*gasp* divorce, omg, wtf lol. STONE THEM.

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Eventually. For the tax benefits, if nothing else. Single+White+Male = bad news in financial / legal terms.


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And how'd that turn out?


"Marriage" is not a separation between church and state and therefore shouldn't be called "marriage".

All 'marriages' being considered 'civil unions' to the state would fix every problem with gay marriages. Only whining at such a point would be stupidly stubborn people.

Talked about "don't ask, don't tell" too and I had to give history of how some ancient armies encouraged man love. Like the Spartans and the Samurai.


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All 'marriages' being considered 'civil unions' to the state would fix every problem with gay marriages.


This.


Government needs to get out of the business of marriage, and legalize civil unions for everyone, regardless of gender or sexual preference. Hell, why limit it to romantic terms. Say two roommates want to get a civil union to make taxation benefits easier, who the hell are we to stop them?

Why should married couples have that advantage over single folks?

But nah, the fed would lose too much money / constituency bitching for this to ever happen.


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 Post subject: Re: The Institution of Marriage (Divorce/Love/Etc...)
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First off, divorce was always something that happened to other people's parents as far as I was concerned.

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year after year?


Also, I have to do this.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXdNnw99-Ic[/youtube]

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Hmm. Sounds like lawyers win again.


Well, don't they always, one way or another? Anyway, to actually answer the questions:

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1. What do you think of marriage as an institution?
2. Why are divorce rates so high?
3. Do people have unrealistic expectations for relationships?
4. Why did divorce rates used to be so much lower?
5. Do you ever want to get married?


1) As seems to be the prevailing attitude, I like the French-style requirement that any marriage be civil first and religious second (or not at all), because a legal union between people has all the nice and necessary bits that make it happen in the eyes of the State. As for what it actually accomplishes, I'd like to think that it's an assurance that shouldn't have to be made between two people who actually want to dig in and be together, but when assets (and children) exist, something has to be on paper.

2) Because people marry for what they think is love, instead of marrying for money and having mistresses/lovers on the side like they did 100 years ago. We're not any less faithful than we used to be, it's just less acceptable to be banging someone who isn't your wife/husband and that leads to divorce.

3) Who knows? I don't know what I want out of one, and I submit none of you do either. My best guess is comfort when I want it, in a way that my partner is willing to grant. Boredalt's the only one who's close to knowing anything about this one.

4) As I said in #2, it's because now people get divorced when they cheat on each other, instead of this being acceptable practice. In the past, you had workers who got married because they had been tricked into thinking it was the right thing to do after they got each other pregnant (like they had any rights, hah), while the middle and upper class got married for convenience and just kept lovers on the side when bed with their spouses stopped being interesting. Again, just because they didn't get divorced doesn't mean they weren't doing it with the wrong person.

5) We'll see. I haven't been making plans, if that's what this is asking.


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