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 Post subject: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:12 pm  
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arrived 815
break at 11
lunch at 1215
back at 2pm
one group gets called up for a trial at 245
group that doesnt get picked comes back at 345
i go home at 430.

what a colossal waste of time and money. the court system(here at the very least) is a complete clusterfuck.


edit: also, the A/C was broken the entire time, repair guys just got the message about 10 minutes before i got to leave.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:40 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
what a colossal waste of time and money. the court system(here at the very least) is a complete clusterfuck.


Many cases are settled on the day of the court date. Defendants will elect a trial, then take a plea when they are hit with the reality of going through with it. I was talking with the head of the tipstaff during my jury duty and he showed me the box of jury selection lists that didn't get used because of pleas. All trials that were scheduled to happen and that they had to be ready for.

Jury duty isn't that much of a waste for the courts, they only pay 9 bucks a day (at least that's what I got) and the other associated costs aren't very high because there isn't much to it. Not to mention trial by jury is a constitutional right, it's ok for the government to spend money.

It was also Monday, in my experience more cases are tried Tuesday to Thursday. When I had jury duty I spent every day in a trial, I was selected for the first trial on Monday, then immediately selected for the next trial when my first ended on Wednesday.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:57 pm  
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Jury duty is something I'm not sure I want to be randomized for.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:58 pm  
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you don't. it was like being stuck on a raft in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of people they rounded up out of walmart at 3 am and you're hoping you aren't the one picked by the sharks.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:13 pm  
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I know a guy who has been picked for Jury Duty 3 times and never had to actually serve. During the screening process he always makes it a point to come off as super racist.

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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:16 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
Jury duty is something I'm not sure I want to be randomized for.


I enjoyed the experience, but I didn't have to sit in the jury room for more than 3 hours all week (and even then I just read so it wasn't that bad).

I am also in a union, and we get paid a full week's pay when we have jury duty.

Now, Federal jury duty is a different matter. I was selected for that in January and got very lucky that I didn't have to serve. Cases could be all at once affairs, or you could be driving to the courthouse once a day every two weeks for months and months.

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I know a guy who has been picked for Jury Duty 3 times and never had to actually serve. During the screening process he always makes it a point to come off as super racist.


The trials are entertaining. I don't know what kind of fool would rather sit in a stuffy room doing nothing for a week than be on a jury for a few cases.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:35 pm  
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How would you fix it, Usd?


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:59 pm  
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In no way is this a standard for the country, as some of the other jurors mentioned, but here's what i gathered:

They had at least three judges there. One doing sentencing for people who had pleaded guilty and needed no trial. One was there hearing trials that were too low on the pecking order to have a jury(judge judy shit i'm guessing). The third one(there may have been one more, but since only one trial requiring a jury actually started up, i dont know) actually had a case that needed a jury.

If it were me, I'd have the low end cases that don't require a jury handled on one set of days, and the cases that require juries to be handled on a different one. That way you don't have to dredge up a hundred people, the paperwork, the bailiffs and whatever the hell else goes into a jury trial for what really amounted to ONE case(which got scheduled for tomorrow or later) and a big waste of time for all involved that didn't go into the courtroom.

and fix the god damned AC.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:30 pm  
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How would that change anything? You'd still have to show up and wait to be called.

At best you'd be depriving people of their right to jury trial.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:39 pm  
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So scheduling the jurors to arrive only on the days on which there is a case needing a trial jury would deprive people of their right to a trial jury?

Either I'm not explaining it well, or you're a fool.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:49 pm  
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You realize not everyone selected serves? Like you. So there has to be redundancy.

Also trials may not be the same day as jury selection.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:59 pm  
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Since when? half the people I spoke to were remarking on how in other places they came in at X time and were listening to a trial by Y time, same day.

edit: and chances are, the laws here aren't the same as the laws there.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:23 pm  
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And you didn't get selected. So what's your point?


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:27 pm  
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I wasted my entire fucking day because at least two judges were hearing trials and sentencing people that didn't need jurors. if they did that shit on opposite days from jury trials, i could have been in and out in a week, and been uneligible for jury duty for 2 years.

as it stands, I could be summoned next week for the same bullshit.

if they split up the days like say a college schedule, instead of the clusterfuck today, I think the whole system would be more efficient.


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 Post subject: Re: so i just got back from jury duty
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:29 pm  
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Do you know there weren't jury trials the same day?
Also, do you realize doing jury trials only every other day doubles land and maintenance costs?


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