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 Post subject: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:20 am  
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17216160

It's an entirely logical alliance.

Both the IMF and the feminist movement have no agenda other than personal greed.

Both are fundamentally opposed to all other political movements - liberalism, libertarianism, socialism, nationalism, democracy, traditional values, empiricism, etc - because all other political movements find their basis in some sort of moral code or vision for a better society.

Both are ideologies based fundamentally on, "Because we say so."

One needs political power and the other needs wealth.
The IMF is adopting feminism to establish a political constituency.

I maintain my conviction that what we will ultimately see (probably in about 20-50 years) is a resurgence of extremely far left/right-wing nationalist-socialist movements that glorify traditional values, the supremacy of the state, and a world view mired in violence.

American brownshirts inc. You heard it here first.


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 Post subject: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
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 Post subject: Re: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
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Go occupy BBC. Read the comments, even try to post one. It's propaganda pure and simple.

You think I deep throat the BBC, I'm just as skeptical of them as any outlet. Over the last six months there's been a huge difference. The IMF and corporate state are really flexing their muscles in this massive PR campaign.

We are watching a silent revolution.
A silent revolution, but one that dwarfs all 20th century political movements combined in sheer scale.

This is a revolution that will fundamentally change the nature of government and society for almost every country on the map, and even reshape the very physical features of the world itself.

The stakes are higher, and the weapons more powerful - from megaphones and pamphlets and state myths to mind-altering substances, cybernetic technology, promulgating a bizarre social ideology on a massive scale, displacing all previously existing views and beliefs.

Whatever happens in the long run, its effects and scope will be more enduring than any political movement we've yet seen.

You will likely think such allegations are crazy before you sit down and think about it.

Think about the power of the media, of any number of chemical substances that influence society as we know it (drugs and meds, both legal and illegal). Think about how the nature of our discourse has been subtlety but profoundly, pervasively altered by these self-appointed experts.

Compare how we think and live to how people thought and lived not so long ago.
Consider how these economic choices impact the environment and ways of life for billions of people - the kinds of dramatically different worlds we are choosing between.

It's a really big deal. The biggest deal ever.


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She says she firmly believes that if it had been Lehman Sisters instead of Lehman Brothers, the financial crash might never have happened.


Wow that was good for a laugh.


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U jelly brah?

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 Post subject: Re: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
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Considering the last head of the IMF was DSK, I somehow doubt the entire organization has immediately embraced an extremely radical feminist agenda.

As for your non-article related contentions, I doubt the world will relapse into nationalism. There's the internet now. As long as people can freely share ideas and understand that others who just happen to have a different nationality are people as well, isolationism will stay dead.

The first bullet of your crackdown, if it ever comes, will be fired at the internet rather than at people. You can't have insular state-supremacy ideals and a culture of violence without total control over information, and that's going to be very very difficult.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
As long as people can freely share ideas and understand that others who just happen to have a different nationality are people as well, isolationism will stay dead.




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 Post subject: Re: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
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Yuratuhl wrote:
Considering the last head of the IMF was DSK, I somehow doubt the entire organization has immediately embraced an extremely radical feminist agenda.


It's an alliance not an agenda. The IMF needs a political constituency to achieve its goals. Hence they cherry-picked Lagarde and came up with a PR spin.

Did you see the "purse shot"?

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As for your non-article related contentions, I doubt the world will relapse into nationalism. There's the internet now. As long as people can freely share ideas and understand that others who just happen to have a different nationality are people as well, isolationism will stay dead.


I don't mean aggressive ultranationalism. I mean nationalism in the national socialist (lower case) sense - the economic and political ideology of the primacy of the nation-state.

e.g., protectionist ideology and populist government

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The first bullet of your crackdown, if it ever comes, will be fired at the internet rather than at people. You can't have insular state-supremacy ideals and a culture of violence without total control over information, and that's going to be very very difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
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Not to derail, but this caught my eye:


Aestu wrote:
I maintain my conviction that what we will ultimately see (probably in about 20-50 years) is a resurgence of extremely right-wing* nationalist-socialist movements that glorify traditional values, the supremacy of the state, and a world view mired in violence.

American brownshirts inc. You heard it here first.



This, providing there isn't some major societal breakdown of biblical proportion first. And, I believe civility and order is always teetering on the edge. It's an illusion we willingly believe. What Aestu proposes is closer than you think, imo. The idea that people are going to somehow find common ground, establish a fair and just form of world government, and kumbaya kumbaya in the near or distant future is laughable to me. Equal sharing of power and resources is simply not in our DNA. It doesn't matter what system of control you want to envision, SOMEONE has to call the shots, and that someone is going to favor people who agree with them, and here we go again.


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 Post subject: Re: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
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I don't think you understand that the right and left wing meet at the extremes.

When I say "left/right wing", I'm referring to political ideas completely outside your frame of reference.

Example: would you characterize Communism and Nazism as left or right wing movements? Why?

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The idea that people are going to somehow find common ground, establish a fair and just form of world government, and kumbaya kumbaya in the near or distant future is laughable to me. Equal sharing of power and resources is simply not in our DNA. It doesn't matter what system of control you want to envision, SOMEONE has to call the shots, and that someone is going to favor people who agree with them, and here we go again.


Actually, I completely disagree.

I am cynical and suspicious enough that I am justified in having a high opinion of human nature. I know enough about the back-and-forth of history to appreciate that although things may still suck, progress is possible. Progress has already been made in the past and it will continue to be made into the future.

We have many of the pieces of the puzzle available to us - we have the material capacity to provide for everyone's needs to satiety, and we have slowly learned the emotional need to have at least some respect for the rights of those who are not like us.

With the difficulties on the horizon, we are beginning to recognize the fatal flaws of our modern vision - and we have an opportunity to fix them. When the pendulum of history swings again we will have another chance to apply what we have learned, make a new, slightly better, if still flawed, world.

The current system based on increasing stratification of wealth is doomed. It is doomed because systems based on spiraling stratification can only shrink, never grow, as wealth becomes concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, as the economy produces less and less, more and more people become disenfranchised and turn against the system. You see this now with the disappearance of the middle class - how the previously comfortable are turning scared and desperate. The unfurling of the social tapestry will inch upwards as the few big winners consolidate their gains.

History often consists of a seesaw between extremes. I would agree with Marx that to a great extent it is indeed a tug-of-war between haves and have-nots. Populism is always a progressive force in history, and it always gives rise to the civilizations we consider most enlightened and instructive - France, America, the Classical civilizations, the Islamic Empire, etc. Populism brings the lessons and benefits of a previous era to a wider audience, not only material things, but a way of life based on hope and dignity.

I used the term national socialist. I firmly believe that the legacy of Communism and Nazism has ultimately been to narrow the scope of human thought - to refuse to consider the practical alternatives to libertarian democracy, or consider that freedom and social structure could in fact be reconciled. That there is, in fact, a wider range of options, more shades of grey, than we allow ourselves to believe. With all bets off, people will be looking for fresh ideas.

I believe that with our high technology and newfound awareness of ourselves and the world, I think that we may in fact see a new populism that taps the power of technology and human compassion to, in fact, let us all get along.

The fact is, dog-eat-dog and endless pointless struggle are not constants of human history. They seem that way only to those who narrow their definition of history to include only those things. There have been enough societies - and still are - where people just get along that I see no reason to believe people can't.

The very scope of the problems of our time - that they affect, in one way or another, everyone on the face of the planet, and that the malfeasance in this world is the act not of one class or nation, but complex problems spanning the globe, is precisely what affords us a glimmer of hope.

As I said, the system is doomed. Solving its problems will be a global effort. It will require us to hammer out political, social, economic and environmental covenants that, to be stable and viable, must take everyone's needs into account.

This inevitability is guaranteed by human nature: if it must be done, it will be done.

As to the human propensity for conflict: I believe the answer is to enshrine human conflict in our institutions, through hard talk, education, a regulated free market, and space exploration. I think it's very doable for people to learn to direct their conflict energies outwards and diffuse them into constructive pursuits.

This will require the acceptance of some new answers, but like I said, we're going to have that chance to put those answers into being.


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 Post subject: Re: Feminazi Propaganda: Because you saw it coming
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Aestu wrote:
I don't think you understand that the right and left wing meet at the extremes.

When I say "left/right wing", I'm referring to political ideas completely outside your frame of reference.

Example: would you characterize Communism and Nazism as left or right wing movements? Why?


I characterize them as power movements. Do you think labeling them right or left is an important distinction? I don't. I only highlighted right wing in my response because I think American right-wingers are more likely to suit up and impose their will. You are correct in predicting the brown-shirts are coming, I think, but they won't be knocking on the door to discuss anyone's "political, social, economic or environmental" needs. When there's a disagreement over the only ball on a crowded playground, the toughest, scariest kid ends up with it.

Aestu wrote:
As I said, the system is doomed. Solving its problems will be a global effort. It will require us to hammer out political, social, economic and environmental covenants that, to be stable and viable, must take everyone's needs into account.

This inevitability is guaranteed by human nature: if it must be done, it will be done.



Who wrote this? Seriously. This implies global cooperation and compromise, and compromise means both sides give up something, and... you're a history guy. No.


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