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The amount of incorrect information in this thread saddens me. Great, you are a liberal. Whoop dee doo. That doesn't make Republicans or Conservatives the Devil.

"If you are under 30 and not a Liberal, you don't have a heart. If you are over 30 and not a Conservative, you don't have a brain."

Callysta of Reverence

Consider me the Lion lols

Don't think anyone's said anything to the effect that you're all the devil, though I suspect Eturnal would be only too happy to accept such a title (and being a metal fan, I'd be obligated to fight him for it). I don't see any incorrect information either. I see various interpretations of the same facts.



The best thing about Churchill is that at least he wasn't Thatcher.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Attribution of the quote is incorrect. While rephrased, credit goes to Francois Guisot.

Callysta of Reverence

He's the point of origin, granted, but under that speaker the quote makes no sense in your context. His quote was in French, was said in the early to mid 19th century, and was specifically in regards to "républicains" which is simply a supporter of the republic (France was undergoing upheaval between Monarchists and Republicans - supporters of the Republic - at this time).

The (mis)appropriation you quoted lies with Churchill, as it completely mutates the original meaning and has nothing to do with the argument between monarchy and republic.

These are semantics, but I still win.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Actually, before it was attributed to Churchill, it was adapted by Georges Clemenceau and Aristide Briand. The substance of the quote is the same, and there is no record of Churchill actually hear saying this. It is nearly always noted as being falsely attributed.

From the Churchill Centre and Museum:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/m ... ted-to-him

So no, I think I win

Callysta of Reverence

You're quoting something in English, so no matter how many times you attribute it to a French guy, it'll continue to be a translation and lose some meaning. The original quote, as I previously mentioned, was in the context of royalists and republicans (here meaning supporters of the republic, lowercase "r"), so your use of it made little sense unless you were using it on the same grounds as Mr. Churchill, who is the only actual political conservative alleged to have used the quote to mean at all what you were saying.

You know, unless you were trying to say from the start that you're a monarchist, in which case I think we're done here.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

This argument has gotten very obtuse.


No one gives a shit who said the quote.

That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. Thousands of inspirational quotes are translated and reformed to suit the language and era. It is still the quote of the original individual as long as the essential meaning stays the same. (One of my favorite quotes is by Pericles, and I am fairly certain he didn't speak English Yet, the quote is still attributed to him, translation or no.) Regardless of the original context or subsequent changes, Churchill is the incorrect person to attribute the quote to. Clemenceau was a conservative and used it in a similar context.

I have no idea why we are having this argument. It is stupid. And has nothing to do with the quote, the thread, or anything else. Typical red herring BS.

Callysta of Reverence

You raised the first red herring by claiming we were equating conservatives with the devil, which none of us did and you conveniently ignored when I pointed it out the first time.

And by no stretch of the imagination was Georges Clemenceau a conservative, though I forgive you for not understanding French politics.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

This entire argument is now a red herring.

This is so far of a derailment the thread might as well be locked so we can start over in a new one.

wtf? Why would you start with my post? Why not with the ridiculous response???

/facepalm

Callysta of Reverence

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?!

rofl @ this

Well one day a dude claiming to be the Mahdi (the Shi'a Islamic messiah) incited a massive rebellion in the Sudan and started having British governors beaten down like garter snakes during Whacking Day, so Winston fucking Churchill was transfered to the 21st Lancers and shipped out to Africa to dish out some vigorous assbeatings. "The British Bustnuts" was on the field during the Battle of Omdurman in 1898, and holds the distinct honor of participating in the last great cavalry charge of the British Empire. 400 of Churchill's Lancers were chasing down a small group of fleeing Mahdists, when all of a sudden a giant group of about 2,500 dervishes came out of nowhere ambushed them. The Lancers didn't even break stride – they fucking plowed into the enemy line, despite being outnumbered six-to-one, and somehow actually managed to drive the defenders from the field. According to legend, Churchill turned the tide of the fight when he activated his special attack and skewered ten Mahdists with his magical Lightning Spear of Dervish-Slaying +2.