Dvergar wrote:
It would be a straw man if I added things to your position. You believe fetuses are human, you believe it is ok to kill fetuses in certain circumstances, you therefore believe it is ok to kill humans (that are fetuses) in certain circumstances. I am suggesting that if fetuses are humans it would be no different than killing an elderly relative if they fall under the same issues as killing a human in utero. Either way you're murdering another human being simply for being a nuisance.
Gah you're not reading what I'm writing. I'M not murdering anyone. I'm saying because of all those pro-choice reasons...if other people want to have the option to murder babies (which they will do anyway if it is illegal...yet it will be much less sanitary and safe), then they should have that option.
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A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position
My position - I'm pro-choice, meaning women should have the CHOICE of killing their unborn babies if they wish (for all those blah blah reasons, economy, society, rape, incest. Some of them are more cynical than others), although I would never personally do it or want anyone I know or care about to do it, because I believe aborting a baby is taking a human life, and that is wrong morally.
Your misrepresentation of my position - I believe abortion is taking a life, but I'm pro-choice because we don't need a bunch of dregs on society living off the government and causing crime. Therefore, I also must believe that we should kill old people because they don't contribute to society.
Dvergar wrote:
It would be a straw man if I added things to your position.
Dvergar wrote:
you therefore believe it is ok to kill humans (that are fetuses) in certain circumstances. I am suggesting that if fetuses are humans it would be no different than killing an elderly relative if they fall under the same issues as killing a human in utero.
By both your definition and the official Wikipedia definition, you are using a straw man argument (adding that I should logically think we should kill old people) to refute my stance on abortion. This is not what we are discussing. Since there is no debate as to whether or not an old person is indeed a human (whereas there is considerable debate about a fetus in this regard), this is an unequivalent supposition.
Your move.