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I think it is pretty hard for a doctor to be more incompetent than to cause the death of his patient. This man is a licensed professional who has been convicted of a crime. "I was only convicted because I'm black" only works if you aren't guilty. Who thinks this guy is not guilty? "My sentence is harsh" only works if the sentence is beyond the longest possible within the law. He got his day in court, was found guilty, and was sentenced according to the law.

I see no problem with the punishment.

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Actually, she's probably not "allowed" to be a twat in the UK. Their version of 'free speech' has a lot of restrictions our own doesn't. I think the UK may be like a lot of European countries, and have speech codes against things like denying the holocaust. Personally, I prefer our version, if for no other reason than it allows the roaches out in the light so that they don't start gathering in the dark where we don't see them...until it's too late.

The doctor was only on trial because our society can't accept any kind of tragedy without having someone to blame. Now that we've sent our human sacrifice to jail for four years, the public spirit is no longer aggrieved, and life can go on.

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This should have been a malpractice civil suit. If a doctor ends up in criminal court every time he fucks up, no one will be a doctor.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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Again, everyone is overlooking the media sensationalism at work when a guy who sold millions upon millions of records is killed by his doctor.

If the media demands blood, they usually get it.

It happens all the time, with physicians both competent and incompetent. Any anesthesiologist or oncologist or surgeon will kill people during the course of his career. Way more often if he is incompetent, but then again many doctors are and don't go to jail.



The problem with defining this as a "crime" is setting the parameters and definitions. Where do you draw the lines? How is a lay court to judge medical issues effectively? Do we go after every such doctor who makes some questionable decision?

In practice - we don't. This case was a huge exception to the general rule and it begs the question: why?



I think this is most plausible.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I love how you never give me credit for anything!

I agree with Jubber and disagree with you. I don't think the media sat down and plotted the death of MJ's Dr. I don't think that was any sort of intent on their part. The media influences society, but part of its increasing irrelevance is that it is not a mirror.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

The media sensationalizes whatever will get angry soccer moms to tune into their channel and be outraged at imaginary outrages.

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No, they get angry soccer moms to watch so that their corporate overlords can advertise shit they don't need.

women are the demographic that buys the most shit, hence tv is becoming more and more shit that women like to watch. The walking dead this season vs last is a good example. Battlestar galactica new vs BSG classic is another.

Still, I agree with tuhl(or at least I will until someone shows me criminal intent on the docs part) because he just plain fucked up. The thing about prescriptions is the big "USE AS DIRECTED" part on the bottle, which I'm guessing MJ didn't read.

Although you'll notice that heath ledger's doctor didn't go to prison. Wait a tick.....maybe it IS because MJ's doc is black!

Propofol is a relatively safe drug - for anesthesia. For sleep? Not so much. In a home? Definitely not. Without ANY resuscitation equipment nearby? Guy's a moron. It's used in the hospital all the time, with at least two or three people in the room at once, one continuously monitoring the patient. None of that happened here, and that's where he fucked up.

s^ | Kay

I think the media certainly influences the current views of society, as you yourself have admitted. I also think it acts as a mirror for a portion of society, but certainly not ALL of society (really it depends on what station you are watching). When you take media viewpoints as a whole though, they can still be a relatively accurate measure of the way things are going.

Most importantly, you underestimate exactly how POWERFUL the media is. The ability to influence opinions is something the media (radio, TV, web) still has, and will never completely lose. They have the money. They have the reach. They have the voice.

How do people form opinions...how do they get information? How do people learn about events and celebrities that they don't personally interact with? How?



I agree, the media never plotted the fall of MJ's doctor, but they certainly helped sway public opinion against him. How many people learned about the situation via the misty lens of the media? Media pressure is still very real - just look at what has happened with OWS! The media, both reflecting a sect of society's viewpoint, and also projecting it, presents the movement as a bunch of lazy stoners begging for handouts, and after a vocal section of the public becomes tired of their presence...with biased media aid -- WHAT HAPPENS?

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/art/Occ ... =131298059

Again, stupid doctor is stupid, but we have malpractice laws for a reason.

Doctors can intentionally kill patients, that's murder just like it would be for anyone else. The line gets hazier around the involuntary manslaughter area, which is what doctor-guy was convicted of. I doubt the judge presiding over the case would make up law on the spot, so it seems that doctors can, in fact, be guilty of involuntary manslaughter in California.

I have a problem with that.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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MJ's doctor was blinded by money and power. He had to know that giving a man those amount of drugs was dangerous. He had to know that it was not healthy for Michael Jackson to have so many things in his system.

And if he didn't know that...he was SUPPOSED to know that, therefore the blame still falls on him.

Don't doctors take a Hippoocratic Oath?

He knew giving pharmaceutical drug cocktails to a man under as much stress as MJ was dangerous. But he ignored it for fear of losing $$$$. If MJ got mad at his doctor about his inability to sleep, he would have lost the CASH COW that is the occupation of "Michael Jackson's Personal Physician"

He FAILED physician ethics 101.

Maybe the law is hazy, but from a moral standpoint, MJ's doctor is totally culpable.

Why? It's called negligence. We learned that first semester, even. It's fucking terrifying, but it's real and it's necessary. They tell us doing nothing is the same as doing something wrong. He was definitely negligent in using an anesthetic agent not intended for use outside of a hospital much less outside of a surgical procedure with no resuscitation equipment nearby. Pretty much all anesthetics have a risk of inducing respiratory depression and/or cardiac effects (arrhythmias, hypotension, etc) - he should have been prepared for this. He wasn't, so he was negligent. If a physician put you under anesthesia in a hospital, had no equipment nearby to resuscitate you, and left you alone on the table, what would you call it?

s^ | Kay