When You Make a Mistake

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:47 pm

Azelma wrote:

And Aestu, relationship building doesn't always directly affect the bottom line. If I meet with a business partner for dinner just to get to know him better...yeah I'm working to eventually get better pricing. However, unless I directly get a better price then our bottom line wasn't affected.

lol

It does or it doesn't.

Worth pointing out - if you score a contract worth more than $10k as a result of inviting these people (or get a sum of price cuts as such) you're in the black.

Back to the question of morale. I think you'd agree that no one is going to quit over this. But what about five, or ten, instances of such dbag behavior? What's the cost of recruiting, training and equipping a new employee, plus cost of severance? Take that figure and divide it by - five, ten, or whatever. And like I said, there are substantial savings to be had billing this as a company vacation.

Between retention, sick leave, and potential contracts, as well as cutting some corners with the trip allowances, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that the savings and benefits of inviting more people aren't at least equal to $10k in additional costs.

Azelma wrote:

Anyway I'm headed back to ignoring you - though I do appreciate your advice...until you started asking endless questions and started hurling insults.

Azelma being Azelma.

Questions? Why are questions a problem? Do you not like the answers, or do you prefer to remain ignorant?

Yeah, Azelma being Azelma. "Tell me anything but that I can't do no wrong."

Mns · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:49 pm

Stop it.

Krizen · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:58 pm

Wow bro, you really fucked up this time.

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:11 pm

You bring great dishonor upon company. Ritual suicide is only option.

Weena · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:35 pm

I want to play Shogun 2 now.

Azelma · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:48 pm

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:15 pm

Unless your company is called Olympus.

Tehra · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:45 pm

Aestu wrote:

Unless your company is called Olympus.

In which case it's well deserved for the shitfest that was the xD card.

Amusing, made by two companies that can be preceded by "mount".

edit: when's the conference?

Fantastique · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:31 am

Azelma wrote:

(queue someone saying "well, you are a dunce").

Wrong CUE you dunce.

jkilu4ever and inv to vegas <3<3<3<3<3

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:25 am

Azelma wrote:

Subject: When You Make a Mistake

Aestu wrote:

Azelma wrote:

And Aestu, relationship building doesn't always directly affect the bottom line. If I meet with a business partner for dinner just to get to know him better...yeah I'm working to eventually get better pricing. However, unless I directly get a better price then our bottom line wasn't affected.

lol

It does or it doesn't.

Absolutely false. The relationships are already established. We're just meeting them in person to have a meal/drink and chat about other potential opportunities. It wont result in a direct CPL increase, but COULD uncover other opportunities that we would pursue further down the road. It's not so clear cut as "if we meet with them, we will make more money" or "if we don't meet with them we won't make more money." We don't NEED to meet with them.

Aestu wrote:

Worth pointing out - if you score a contract worth more than $10k as a result of inviting these people (or get a sum of price cuts as such) you're in the black.

Bringing employees would have literally zero impact on this. They won't be meeting with any clients, just going to sessions.

Aestu wrote:

Back to the question of morale. I think you'd agree that no one is going to quit over this. But what about five, or ten, instances of such dbag behavior? What's the cost of recruiting, training and equipping a new employee, plus cost of severance? Take that figure and divide it by - five, ten, or whatever. And like I said, there are substantial savings to be had billing this as a company vacation.

Between retention, sick leave, and potential contracts, as well as cutting some corners with the trip allowances, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that the savings and benefits of inviting more people aren't at least equal to $10k in additional costs.

1) You're ignoring what I said - we are bringing anyone who wants to go. Offered it to everyone. The hope is that not everyone decides to go because truthfully, we WONT make any more money bringing non-key employees. The benefit they will get is 1.) Fun trip to vegas, so more good will/loyalty to the company 2.) Going to sessions at the conference could help them learn something that makes them better at their jobs. That's it.

Azelma wrote:

Anyway I'm headed back to ignoring you - though I do appreciate your advice...until you started asking endless questions and started hurling insults.

Azelma being Azelma.

Questions? Why are questions a problem? Do you not like the answers, or do you prefer to remain ignorant?

Yeah, Azelma being Azelma. "Tell me anything but that I can't do no wrong."

You remain ignorant of what my company does, what I do, and really how our entire business functions. You claim to be so smart, but you don't know the first thing about my job...yet claim you do. Hilarious.

Anyway, just wanted to respond without getting Mayo mad.[/quote]

First post on FUBU I completely didn't bother to read

Azelma · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:53 am

Eturnalshift · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:14 am

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We have 15 people. Tickets to the conference are ~$800 per person (yeah they rake you over the coals), 2 nights in a vegas hotel...that'll run you about $400 per person (probably more), air fare, 400-600 per person (depending on deals etc.). Let's say food, cabs, etc will end up being about $200 per person (I think I'm underestimating there)

So you're looking at ~$2k per person, times 15, thats $30k. Really anything above $20,000 for this type of thing is absurd since it doesnt impact our bottom line in any way...really it's about relationship building, and any employees would be going just to sessions (as they don't interact with our business partners)

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Problem solved - sent an e-mail out to everyone. If they want to go, they just need to provide a reason why. If it ends up being everyone, then so be it.

It doesn't sound like the problem's been 'solved' at all... maybe just ignored or accepted. The original concern was that after you told everyone they're going to Vegas you wouldn't be able to take everyone and one of the factors was the cost of sending so many people being too 'absurd'. If money was a concern then it should be one now. Instead, your solution was to take a very passive approach and say, "If you want to go, tell me why." Now you're making people jump through hoops to go to Vegas instead of just telling everyone they're going and they can opt-out if they choose. The e-mail of "tell me why" sound just like a power-trip unless you plan on using their reasoning as a way to filter candidates for the trip... which, if that's the case, you're going to look like an ass when you pick and choose the winners based on rushed e-mails instead of some other measurable factor like performance reviews, sales or something else. If you're a manager (middle-manager?) of these people then you need to take charge and make a decision instead of shrugging your shoulders and saying, "Well, if everyone wants to go then so be it."

If I was your employee or subordinate and I caught wind of your mistake... and your 'correction', then I'd assume you had no spine and are easily pushed around.

If I was your boss/partner and if I found out you were going to piss away 30K on people going to seminars (since they're not even going to be talking to clients or whatever) then I'd kick you in the nuts.

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:24 am

You sent a PM rather than replying in the thread because you're a chickenshit. It's that simple.

What Eturnal said is more or less right on. The problem hasn't been "solved", it's been "ignored or accepted". I presented you with solutions that could potentially minimize the cost of your initial error (and actually benefit you by earning kudos for taking charge of the situation with an innovative solution, yielding a better outcome for all parties involved, including the bottom line), but it sounds like you're determined to take a totally passive approach and pretend the problem doesn't exist.

Azelma · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:21 pm

Eturnalshift · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:28 pm

Azelma wrote:

I could care less if other people see what I have to say, as I have nothing to hide.

Azelma wrote:

TL;DR: Foot in mouth.

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