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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:25 pm  
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cziiki wrote:
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why not go into IT or journalism...?

Ideally I'd love to, but I'm just weighing all options right now considering how much I owe, the current economy and the chances of me getting a job straight out of college.

I haven't even graduated from community college yet and have a job as a programmer. From what I've gathered, my people skills have done most of the work for me (with most of the interviews I had for my current position, I was only asked like, 2-3 technical questions in each of them, the rest was me turning my charm up to 11 and reaping the benefits).


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:50 pm  
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Question for Jubber & co:

What's the hair dress code for officers in the Chair Force and other positions manning a LJ-1000? Do they make you go full jarhead or just a crew cut, or what?


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 Post subject: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:23 pm  
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Someone needs to make a 'landing strip' joke here.


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:41 am  
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Aestu wrote:
Question for Jubber & co:

What's the hair dress code for officers in the Chair Force and other positions manning a LJ-1000? Do they make you go full jarhead or just a crew cut, or what?

Just my thoughts based on observations from the times I've been to the Pentagon...

O3+ in the Air Force, Army and Navy seem to like a short, half-part comb over. The Marines keep their hair short - bald, high and tight or styled like R. Lee Ermey or Lt. General Amos. Pretty much this...

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Regardless of branch, they all seem to keep their hair well groomed and within standards.
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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:11 pm  
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Of course they do.

There might be cameras around.


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:53 pm  
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I was/am of the assumption that the hair dress code is different for generals than it is for low-ranking officers. Jubber?


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:15 pm  
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My friend Andrew is a high ranking officer in the Army. His hair, while well groomed, leaves something to be desired. I thought he'd fix it for his wedding, but it looked like early NCIS Gibbs hair. Bowl cuts don't look good on anyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:02 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
I was/am of the assumption that the hair dress code is different for generals than it is for low-ranking officers. Jubber?


The admiral I worked for maintained the same standards he expected of everyone else, and I doubt he was a rarity in that regard. I can remember three separate occasions where he quietly read someone the riot act for not leading by example.

People that end up with stars on their shoulders are a rare breed. You can almost tell when some junior officer has a shot at it. They're serious about what they do, but they don't sweat the small stuff, and they're more concerned with building their people up than "making examples" of trouble-makers. They have personal authority, and don't have to lord the actual military authority over people.

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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:44 pm  
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You didn't answer my question.

The notion of generals as divinely inspired (or some notion thereof) is part of the military tradition in all times and places. That I know, because I have a far wider frame of reference on the topic than anyone else you are likely to ever meet.

I know enough about the contemporary history of the American army to understand it as like any other military, a fundamentally bureaucratic organization with more than its fair share of posers, nespots, tin-pots and mangerial weasels.

Certainly the American army is the most loyal and talented in the history of the world. It still is what it is, and I know enough about the personal history and conduct of many generals in the last 60 years to know that those at the top are not always there for the best of reasons.

I base this mostly on reading Schwartzkopf's autobiography, the Pentagon Papers, and other books about the Korean War and WWII.

But I'd still like a definite answer to my question...is it just at CO discretion?


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:51 pm  
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Talking about generals -

In middle school English my teacher brought up a military leader of some kind that was a fatalist (that was the word of the day), and he never bothered ducking bullets. There was a story where he was giving a command, the soldier he was issuing it to took a bullet and went down, and the fatalist guy just turned around and continued the order to another soldier.

Would like to know the fellows name, if anybody knows.


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/eq
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:00 pm  
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Weena wrote:
In middle school English my teacher brought up a military leader of some kind that was a fatalist (that was the word of the day), and he never bothered ducking bullets. There was a story where he was giving a command, the soldier he was issuing it to took a bullet and went down, and the fatalist guy just turned around and continued the order to another soldier.

Would like to know the fellows name, if anybody knows.

There is no one individual general who met this description.

The anecdote is a pastiche of a Jewish short story, The Fatalist, and a series of anecdotes from World War I about French officers that refused to crouch/duck because they considered it undignified to do so. This behavior was unlearned by the end of the first month of the war. It's attested in Barbara Tuchmann's The Guns of August.

There are also other, probably apocryphal, anecdotes about simple-minded Russian peasant conscripts that, operating under a severe firepower shortage and abundance of warm bodies, supposedly waited for the guy next to them to die, then would pick up their weapon and keep fighting.

There are a series of similar anecdotes about de Gaulle's asshattery. Once, when targetted by a sniper during a speech shortly after the liberation of Paris, a shot went off and twanged right near him. The sniper was quickly taken out, and de Gaulle, perceiving that the danger was past as he had not been killed outright, did not bother ducking as the rest of the crowd did but continued standing his 6'2" and singing "La Marseillaise". This is attested in Is Paris Burning?

The wars coinciding with the vogue of fatalism were World War I, the Russo-Japanese War, the Russian Civil War, and (less likely) the Crimean War, the Zulu War, and the Franco-Prussian War. So if you're convinced this guy is real, then that narrows your search.


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:22 pm  
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There were several generals like that.

First one I remember was in the american civil war, though the name escapes me.


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:31 pm  
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Fatalism as a philosophical vogue was mostly popular in Russia and the EU.

Fatalism is inherently anathema to the American national character.


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:59 pm  
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Fatalism being prevalent in Russia history doesn't surprise me, geographically speaking.

It's a huge motif in Norse Paganism, and prevalent in Finnish mythology.


I can see Revolutionary and Civil War military leaders acting reckless, but more for moral boosting or dire situation scenarios than fatalism.


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 Post subject: Re: Army/Navy/Chair Force/w/e
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:12 pm  
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Weena wrote:
Fatalism being prevalent in Russia history doesn't surprise me, geographically speaking. It's a huge motif in Norse Paganism, and prevalent in Finnish mythology.


Fatalism in Russia was homegrown, out of the writings of chronically depressed writers such as Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, the profound sense of frustration and despair at the corrupt and impotent Czarist government, and the social impact of mass alcoholism.

Russia has no cultural connection to Norse paganism. The Russian language is most closely related to Greek and draws most of its culture from the Greek Orthodox Church; Russian and German/Nordic group languages have no relation.

The Russian and German people have been historical enemies ever since the Teutonic invasion of the 12th century, which lives on as a tale of epic heroism in Russian culture.

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I can see Revolutionary and Civil War military leaders acting reckless, but more for moral boosting or dire situation scenarios than fatalism.


The belief that a general's place is at the front lines, or that a general should identify with the fighting men, is uniquely American and contemporary.

The establishment of the development of a distinctive American military culture began prior to the Civil War with the establishment of West Point but was not complete until the early 20th century, as the US transitioned from hiring foreign-born instructors (mostly French and Prussians) to training its own based on experience learned in the wars. During the Civil War, American army officers were very much still in the "genteel" mindset common to military aristocrats. This approach sucked, as was demonstrated by its abyssal performance in the Crimean, Zulu and Boer Wars.

It was between the Civil War and WWI that America formulated its unique military ethos of "no man left behind"; rugged, hands-on officers; and emphasis on extreme discipline (no looting or raping civilians; military jurisprudence as opposed to drumhead trials). This ethos gave the American military a remarkable espirit de corps and unprecedented reliability and effectiveness.

European military culture considered that it was inglorious and improper for a general to deign to share in the sacrifices of the fighting men. Reckless behavior was not looked on positively. Standing up in the face of gunfire was meant not to show a willingness to get shot but an unwillingness to kneel.


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