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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:33 pm  
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I still don't know what this poor girl, her shitty situation, and the bad decisions she and/or her family made have anything to do with pro-lifers/republicans. I'm pretty sure that even in the most backwards parts of Georgia that they'll deliver a baby if you just go to the fucking hospital to have it. You don't have to scissor it into a toilet and strangle it just because some people frown on out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

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At 14, based on what I've read, she was probably in a situation close to what Aestu described. Either way, she was probably taken advantage of whether by family or not. I'm leaning towards she was taken advantage of by some random guy. She obviously didn't know what to do. She could have had it and taken it to the fire department or w/e. No questions asked. Had it been a family abuse thing, I'm sure they could have done the same thing and never had to worry about it.

Then again, it's Polk County and like everyone he is fuck all stupid (read: my ex).


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:27 pm  
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I still don't know what this poor girl, her shitty situation, and the bad decisions she and/or her family made have anything to do with pro-lifers/republicans. I'm pretty sure that even in the most backwards parts of Georgia that they'll deliver a baby if you just go to the fucking hospital to have it. You don't have to scissor it into a toilet and strangle it just because some people frown on out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

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At 14, based on what I've read, she was probably in a situation close to what Aestu described. Either way, she was probably taken advantage of whether by family or not. I'm leaning towards she was taken advantage of by some random guy. She obviously didn't know what to do. She could have had it and taken it to the fire department or w/e. No questions asked. Had it been a family abuse thing, I'm sure they could have done the same thing and never had to worry about it.

Then again, it's Polk County and like everyone he is fuck all stupid (read: my ex).


What I think he meant by pro-lifers is that this would have been a prime example of when an abortion would have been better than the alternative. But pro-lifers would rather make a child carry a baby to term, and then disregard afterwards, only to talk about how terrible she is when shit like this goes down. In Florida, parents must be notified 48 hours before an abortion for a minor. Obviously this was not something she felt she was able to do, since her family didn't know about the pregnancy.

Also, dropping the baby off at the fire department requires the baby to be under 7 days old. Since she's 14, she's not driving, so it may not have been feasible for her to do that. She likely would have had to tell someone about the baby, and for whatever reason she felt that was not an option. You really think a 14 year old girl might know that sort of information? They don't teach this shit in school, you know.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:41 pm  
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Kayllaira wrote:
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I still don't know what this poor girl, her shitty situation, and the bad decisions she and/or her family made have anything to do with pro-lifers/republicans. I'm pretty sure that even in the most backwards parts of Georgia that they'll deliver a baby if you just go to the fucking hospital to have it. You don't have to scissor it into a toilet and strangle it just because some people frown on out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

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At 14, based on what I've read, she was probably in a situation close to what Aestu described. Either way, she was probably taken advantage of whether by family or not. I'm leaning towards she was taken advantage of by some random guy. She obviously didn't know what to do. She could have had it and taken it to the fire department or w/e. No questions asked. Had it been a family abuse thing, I'm sure they could have done the same thing and never had to worry about it.

Then again, it's Polk County and like everyone he is fuck all stupid (read: my ex).


What I think he meant by pro-lifers is that this would have been a prime example of when an abortion would have been better than the alternative. But pro-lifers would rather make a child carry a baby to term, and then disregard afterwards, only to talk about how terrible she is when shit like this goes down. In Florida, parents must be notified 48 hours before an abortion for a minor. Obviously this was not something she felt she was able to do, since her family didn't know about the pregnancy.

Also, dropping the baby off at the fire department requires the baby to be under 7 days old. Since she's 14, she's not driving, so it may not have been feasible for her to do that. She likely would have had to tell someone about the baby, and for whatever reason she felt that was not an option. You really think a 14 year old girl might know that sort of information? They don't teach this shit in school, you know.

I misread as he didn't know what their situation was lol. Not what their situation had to do with pro-lifers D:

On your second part, I meant to imply she didn't know what to do, not that she did. It was some sort of stretch in my mind like
"Okay, if she has been taken advatange of, then she wouldn't know what to do, therefore she was probably taken advantage of. If she wasn't, then she knew what she was doing and probably knew she had options." something like that but my mind is just bleh right now. And actually, they taught us that in school.

I didn't know the baby had to be under 7 days. I just read that it to be younger than a year. Looking it up I see that Florida is 7 days as you said. Though, I don't see why that really matters.

Like I said, all I was saying was that she was probably taken advantage of because she didn't have the information she needed. That's not to say it's a sure thing, it's just not too uncommon for a 19-22 year old to start banging a 13-14 year old.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:23 pm  
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Necrachilles wrote:
Kayllaira wrote:
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I still don't know what this poor girl, her shitty situation, and the bad decisions she and/or her family made have anything to do with pro-lifers/republicans. I'm pretty sure that even in the most backwards parts of Georgia that they'll deliver a baby if you just go to the fucking hospital to have it. You don't have to scissor it into a toilet and strangle it just because some people frown on out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

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At 14, based on what I've read, she was probably in a situation close to what Aestu described. Either way, she was probably taken advantage of whether by family or not. I'm leaning towards she was taken advantage of by some random guy. She obviously didn't know what to do. She could have had it and taken it to the fire department or w/e. No questions asked. Had it been a family abuse thing, I'm sure they could have done the same thing and never had to worry about it.

Then again, it's Polk County and like everyone he is fuck all stupid (read: my ex).


What I think he meant by pro-lifers is that this would have been a prime example of when an abortion would have been better than the alternative. But pro-lifers would rather make a child carry a baby to term, and then disregard afterwards, only to talk about how terrible she is when shit like this goes down. In Florida, parents must be notified 48 hours before an abortion for a minor. Obviously this was not something she felt she was able to do, since her family didn't know about the pregnancy.

Also, dropping the baby off at the fire department requires the baby to be under 7 days old. Since she's 14, she's not driving, so it may not have been feasible for her to do that. She likely would have had to tell someone about the baby, and for whatever reason she felt that was not an option. You really think a 14 year old girl might know that sort of information? They don't teach this shit in school, you know.

I misread as he didn't know what their situation was lol. Not what their situation had to do with pro-lifers D:

On your second part, I meant to imply she didn't know what to do, not that she did. It was some sort of stretch in my mind like
"Okay, if she has been taken advatange of, then she wouldn't know what to do, therefore she was probably taken advantage of. If she wasn't, then she knew what she was doing and probably knew she had options." something like that but my mind is just bleh right now. And actually, they taught us that in school.

I didn't know the baby had to be under 7 days. I just read that it to be younger than a year. Looking it up I see that Florida is 7 days as you said. Though, I don't see why that really matters.

Like I said, all I was saying was that she was probably taken advantage of because she didn't have the information she needed. That's not to say it's a sure thing, it's just not too uncommon for a 19-22 year old to start banging a 13-14 year old.


They didn't teach us that in Daytona. I don't even remember ever having a sex ed class. I wasn't disputing your other points though, she should have done something else. She was likely taken advantage of. But I doubt she knew she had options, considering she (allegedly) told nobody about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:29 pm  
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Kayllaira wrote:
Necrachilles wrote:
Kayllaira wrote:
Necrachilles wrote:
Jubbergun wrote:
I still don't know what this poor girl, her shitty situation, and the bad decisions she and/or her family made have anything to do with pro-lifers/republicans. I'm pretty sure that even in the most backwards parts of Georgia that they'll deliver a baby if you just go to the fucking hospital to have it. You don't have to scissor it into a toilet and strangle it just because some people frown on out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

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At 14, based on what I've read, she was probably in a situation close to what Aestu described. Either way, she was probably taken advantage of whether by family or not. I'm leaning towards she was taken advantage of by some random guy. She obviously didn't know what to do. She could have had it and taken it to the fire department or w/e. No questions asked. Had it been a family abuse thing, I'm sure they could have done the same thing and never had to worry about it.

Then again, it's Polk County and like everyone he is fuck all stupid (read: my ex).


What I think he meant by pro-lifers is that this would have been a prime example of when an abortion would have been better than the alternative. But pro-lifers would rather make a child carry a baby to term, and then disregard afterwards, only to talk about how terrible she is when shit like this goes down. In Florida, parents must be notified 48 hours before an abortion for a minor. Obviously this was not something she felt she was able to do, since her family didn't know about the pregnancy.

Also, dropping the baby off at the fire department requires the baby to be under 7 days old. Since she's 14, she's not driving, so it may not have been feasible for her to do that. She likely would have had to tell someone about the baby, and for whatever reason she felt that was not an option. You really think a 14 year old girl might know that sort of information? They don't teach this shit in school, you know.

I misread as he didn't know what their situation was lol. Not what their situation had to do with pro-lifers D:

On your second part, I meant to imply she didn't know what to do, not that she did. It was some sort of stretch in my mind like
"Okay, if she has been taken advatange of, then she wouldn't know what to do, therefore she was probably taken advantage of. If she wasn't, then she knew what she was doing and probably knew she had options." something like that but my mind is just bleh right now. And actually, they taught us that in school.

I didn't know the baby had to be under 7 days. I just read that it to be younger than a year. Looking it up I see that Florida is 7 days as you said. Though, I don't see why that really matters.

Like I said, all I was saying was that she was probably taken advantage of because she didn't have the information she needed. That's not to say it's a sure thing, it's just not too uncommon for a 19-22 year old to start banging a 13-14 year old.


They didn't teach us that in Daytona. I don't even remember ever having a sex ed class. I wasn't disputing your other points though, she should have done something else. She was likely taken advantage of. But I doubt she knew she had options, considering she (allegedly) told nobody about it.

I don't doubt that she knew of the options.

I had sex ed a few times and not for very long. It's possible they stopped it all together. At this point, you'd have to do sex ed starting as early as 3-4th grade and slowly introduce safety and concepts as they got older. People be sexing at 11-13 and shiii.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
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Killing the child, regardless of the circumstance, was the wrong thing to do. A 14 year old KNOWS that killing a baby is wrong. This is sad on so many levels. Who the father of the child is will determine a lot about where her parents went wrong. I hope her parents are charged too.

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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
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Necrachilles wrote:
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It pains me sometimes how often my initial impression lines up with Mr Aestu's :P

I hope they get the DNA testing done on that baby.

It's polk county. They don't do shit.




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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
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People be sexing at 11-13 and shiii.


shiiiiii I was 14.

I'm still cool. 8)


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I didn't own a cell phone til 18. Lost my virginity at 19.

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 Post subject: Re: Disturbia
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I didn't own a cell phone til 18. Lost my virginity at 19.

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I had a cell phone at one point when I was like 16 but never used it (lolforeveralone.jpg). Then I met the cougar and she bought me one/paid for it. and then I lost my virginity at 18. Also I think that was around the same time I had my first kiss.

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Callysta wrote:
Killing the child, regardless of the circumstance, was the wrong thing to do. A 14 year old KNOWS that killing a baby is wrong. This is sad on so many levels. Who the father of the child is will determine a lot about where her parents went wrong. I hope her parents are charged too.

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That's what I struggle with. Okay, we can suppose that there may have been rape or something...maybe even something incestuous. Perhaps she didn't have the education on safe sex she needed...perhaps abortion wasn't available or she didn't even know how to get one. All terrible things.

But I guess I just don't understand how a 14 year old makes the leap to...."okay I just gave birth to this baby, now I'm going to strangle it to death"

I mean.....when I was 14 I surely would have known that was a bad thing to do. How could you not?


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Fantastique wrote:
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People be sexing at 11-13 and shiii.


shiiiiii I was 14.

I'm still cool. 8)


I'm actually a little surprised at this.

(I was 16)


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Under no circumstances would I try to justify strangling a newborn infant to death.


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http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... ?p=2&tc=pg

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Goodson then showered with the dead baby, cleaning both her body and his, Judd said.

He said she put the baby into a shoebox along with soiled clothing and towels.


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Goodson showed little or no emotion when she was interviewed by detectives, Judd said.


Idk man...this looks so calculated and evil.



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Yuratuhl wrote:
Fantastique wrote:
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People be sexing at 11-13 and shiii.


shiiiiii I was 14.

I'm still cool. 8)


I'm actually a little surprised at this.

(I was 16)


Why! Am I so bad? I discarded all shyness quite early on actually. That seemed to be the biggest issue for people back then.


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