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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:06 pm  
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I didn't bully anyone in school, and I wasn't bullied in turn.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:36 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
I didn't bully anyone in school, and I wasn't bullied in turn.


...what is the cause of bullying?


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:50 pm  
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Is there only one cause for bullying?


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:05 pm  
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Yes.


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:26 am  
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I tend to agree (probably not surprisingly because we're both goddamn "old") with Boredalt...but not because I have anything against Aestu, but because I used to have too much in common with him.

I've been in the "I'm smarter than you" phase with all the nitwit educators patting me on the head because they knew I was smarter than they were. It doesn't take a lot to be smarter than the average educator, who spends God knows how much money on a degree and hours in schooling to get out and be paid like a janitor. I grew out of it...but before I did, the only difference between the "bullies" who beat me up and myself was how we hit each other. I honestly did start the shit most of the time. They usually finished it, but that usually took a while and made all of us look like assholes, since most of them were twice my size, and I could take a beating while still running my fat mouth.

There was one time they didn't finish it. I wish it hadn't happened. It was enough that I got over myself and quit making fun of "dumb rednecks" and antagonizing people that didn't need any extra abuse heaped on them.

I recognize the smug, self-satisfied sense of undeserved superiority, and I hate seeing it in you, Ethan, because it used to be mine. It was never any good for me, or for most people around me, and I doubt it's very good for you, either. The same with blaming your parents for your issues. I mended things with my mother before she died, thankfully. I still don't know how to do that with my dad, and he's the one I owe the biggest apology to out of the two. He was a high school drop-out with a crappy job who was the reflection of all the people in school I thought I was better than. You can guess how I treated him. Hindsight being 20/20, I didn't realize until after I had my own son forced on me by some horrible, desperate idiot what he had given up in life. I know he and my mother loved each other, but I can also do math. I was definitely an "oops." What plans did he have that a family interrupted? I don't know, but I knew what mine were. He worked a shit job and worked for himself on the side from the time he married my mother (six months before I was born) until shortly after my mother passed away and he finally quit the shit job and just worked for himself and did what he wanted.

My father may not be a genius, but he is clever and wise, and in general a better man than most I've met, and I treated him like shit for the better part of my life. You're doing the same thing. Hopefully you grow out of your own bullshit, but when you do, you're going to realize at some point what a prat you've been to your parents and you're going to regret it.

Boredalt's also more than a little right about how you treat Cally. You see something you want and decide you can't have it, so you tear it down instead. No one is that focused on anyone who is as pointless and undeserving as you try to make us believe you think she is. You're fucking obsessed with her, and can't let anything she posts pass without some kind of a vile comment. It's not just her. You were just fine with Zaryi until your botched and embarrassing interpersonal interaction, then you suddenly had all sorts of terrible things to say about her. She was adequate enough for you to let things progress to naked fun times, but once that went badly and you were embarrassed and thought she thought less of you, she was just another nice thing you had to destroy because you didn't think you could have her anymore. That's pretty messed up.

You say you are "nonconfrontational," but what about your subway story or your many stories about cops and passersby where you "stand up for yourself/what's right?"

I didn't take the college path like you did. It was probably better for me in the long run just because I wasn't surrounded by a bunch of self-important morons who thought 'uneducated' people were less than they were. You've already earned a degree, go get a commission and serve a few years in the military. You don't even need to do anything dangerous. If you do, just do this one thing: shut up and listen. Take the advice of the 'uneducated' senior enlisted guy who really runs whatever division you're supposed to be overseeing. Solicit that advice, even. I know your view of the military, and you're right, it doesn't convey any special status or sainthood on those who serve, but it can put you in some places where you can see how the rubber actually hits the road and disabuse yourself of some of the ivory tower ideas that bog down your thinking. If you do go to the dangerous places, take the exotic jobs...the things that are actually mentally, emotionally, and physically challenging, you're going to see the world in its purest form. It's going to be humbling. You're going to be surrounded by people who are at or above your own level, and you're going to have a hard time thinking that you're special anymore.

You should try it...or something like it. You're in a rut and you're not growing as a person. You need to do something that isn't what you've been doing.

Maybe you should start by expressing some gratitude to your parents instead of trying to make them feel guilty about their "obligation" to support a grown man.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:39 am  
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That very long hypocritical self-apologia boils down to:
You are insecure, and want to bring everyone down to your level.

I wasn't actually the focus of what you said - what you said was about a bunch of different groups of people, who are united by a single common theme...that you have reason (valid or otherwise) to see them as superior.

College professors. Educated people. Professionals. Military officers.
I'm just one member of that wider group.

Like many people (e.g., Al Bundy), you aggrandize high school bullying because for you it is the one theater in which you can affirm yourself. That's not to say you're a bully...just that when other people assert their superiority against you by other means, you don't have half the power to assert yourself back.

EDIT: I'll say this about Callysta and that's that.

She has nothing I want.

I would stab myself with an icepick before pursuing her profession. She isn't personally wealthy. I'm not interested in most of her friends, and I don't see friends as measure of worth. And she isn't even remotely as smart or knowledgeable by I am. I don't even believe she's happy.

I don't like Callysta because she's selfish, willfully ignorant and a habitual liar. Charity, lust for knowledge and truthfulness are values I take seriously on a personal level. Those are the metrics by which I judge myself and others. That is what values are, our basis for making judgements. Everyone has them, even if they pretend to be totally objective.

Callysta is a pretty face that talks a lot of game. She's a uniquely American thing, where class and success often seem to be nothing more than acting the part.


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:04 am  
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Since (as usual) you missed the point, let me spell it out for you:

It's not a matter of whether you're better than anyone else (you're not) or they're better than you (they aren't). Even now, I could easily become a member of most of those "superior" groups...except maybe military officer; my body wouldn't have it. My "bullying," like your own, was all verbal. I antagonized people, much as you do, because tearing them down made me feel better about myself. No matter who you meet, you're going to find that regardless of how many factors you can find for counting yourself "better" than they are, there's going to be a lot more, and most of them probably more important to you, where you're the one that doesn't measure up.

You are insecure, and you are trying to bring people "down to your level." You're also, despite your objections, confrontational, as many of your past posts will attest. You feel bad about yourself, it makes you angry, and you lash out at people with little or no provocation. You talk down to people and try to make them feel stupid because for you it is the one theater in which you can affirm yourself. You have a compulsion to 'prove' to everyone how much smarter you are than they are because it makes you feel like you're valuable and not some kind of weirdo.

EDIT: You're not fooling anybody with what you're saying about Callysta. No one who cares so little and was so disinterested would take the time to write five or six paragraphs about someone who "doesn't matter."

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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:14 am  
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Jubbergun wrote:
It's not a matter of whether you're better than anyone else (you're not) or they're better than you (they aren't). Even now, I could easily become a member of most of those "superior" groups...


Delusional.

Part of real maturity and confidence is accepting your place somewhere on the world's totem pole...whether it is the pole of social status or personal merit. You are no more everyone else's equal than I am everyone else's better.


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:23 am  
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I suppose I'm the only one who didn't think that Aestu "wants" Callysta? Did I miss something? Where is this coming from? What I did get is that he simply doesn't like her. Continually bashing her is not a sign of desire unless we're in elementary school.

Oh btw Tuhl, yes mine was public too. Yay public! Even if I make the big bucks, I don't think I would send my kids to private school.


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
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Aestu wrote:
Delusional.


If that's all you want to focus upon so that you may ignore that it's noticeable that you're insecure and mistreat people because of it, I guess there's a reason you like to toss "cognitive dissonance" into a sentence at every available opportunity.

And yes, Fanta, his continual bashing of Cally is a sign that, whether he desires her or not, he's absolute obsessed with her exactly like a boy in elementary school. That's why he keeps telling her she has cooties and pulling her hair. It's what you do when you're at that level of emotional development.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:34 am  
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As strange as it sounds, in the extremely unlikely event I have children, I plan on sending them to public school, because I want them to grow up in touch with, if not likeminded with, mainstream society.

However, I plan on educating them almost entirely out of school, and bribing and terrorizing school administrators into giving them straight As.


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:40 am  
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Jubbergun wrote:
If that's all you want to focus upon so that you may ignore that it's noticeable that you're insecure and mistreat people because of it


I don't mistreat anyone.

Jubbergun wrote:
And yes, Fanta, his continual bashing of Cally is a sign that, whether he desires her or not, he's absolute obsessed with her exactly like a boy in elementary school. That's why he keeps telling her she has cooties and pulling her hair. It's what you do when you're at that level of emotional development.


I dislike a lot of people. I make sharp remarks at a lot of people.
You're being pretty antagonistic toward me. Are you gay for me?

If I were obsessed I'd manifest more interest in her life. I have no idea where she lives, what her life is like, how old she is, what her religious views are, what kinds of foods, books, movies, whatever she likes. I only vaguely know what she looks like and wouldn't recognize her if I saw her. If I were obsessed I'd have made a point of finding all that out. In reality you're just projecting your own Palin-like sex appeal-driven overly favorable impression of her.


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 Post subject: @ Boredalt
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I call being the peanut butter in the Aestu/Jubber group hug sammich


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 Post subject: Re: @ Boredalt
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:54 am  
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Maybe whatever she says annoys him. Maybe she is the embodiment of everything he dislikes in people and he has to express his thoughts. In what way is he bothering any of you with his comments directed at someone else? Is it because she's a girl? Attractive? How did she even become a topic here?


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Fantastique wrote:
Maybe whatever she says annoys him. Maybe she is the embodiment of everything he dislikes in people and he has to express his thoughts. In what way is he bothering any of you with his comments directed at someone else? Is it because she's a girl? Attractive? How did she even become a topic here?


Carried over from the other thread, I think.


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