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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:47 am  
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Yea, I figure S. Korea would stomp N. Korea. The morbid side of me wants to see someone call their bluff and N. Korea follow through with some massive attack. Sure, it'll be the end of N. Korea... but N. Korea might just make American's good at video gaming by eliminating the competition and they could do us a favor by ridding the world of bad MMOs.

And I've got to agree with Zaryi - Whenever they posture like this the world gives them aid to stand down.

The desert island of South Korea would be pretty cool, though.
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No, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Every time North Korea postures like this it's always been to get something. Last time they rolled out their nuclear weapons program was because they wanted a seat on (I think this was the committee), the Asia-Pacific trade commission (or something along those lines). This happens, China/The US will put him where he wants to be, and he'll go back to his harem.


They usually make demands, but their demands are pretty superficial and aimed more at keeping the game going, rather than winning it. Whenever they approach their alleged goal, normalization of relations, they take a step back by doing something provocative.

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And South Korea wins, hands down. North Korean couldn't launch a nuke if they wanted to, and if they tried, they'd end up with the entire US military knocking on their front door. As I said, he's just posturing and putting on a show.


I'd agree that they are posturing - and that is their intent. It's an empty threat, yes, but the reaction itself is their goal, not to "get" something.

South Korea doesn't really win either - they still have these people next door.

There's no question South Korea will outlast the North. It is a certainty in a way the US outlasting the USSR never was. The problem is, what happens next?

For sixty years now these people have stared over the border at each other. What was once a single people, a single culture, have diverged into two totally contrary civilizations.

On the one hand you have utterly Western South Korea, that lives the same lifestyle Americans, Europeans and Japanese do, and then there's 1984-like North Korea. When North Koreans cross over, they actually have to go to a sort of training session to integrate them into South Korean society. A lot of them can't handle it and wind up sinking into depression or suicide. East Germany was never so different from the West. It's a strange culture accustomed to paranoia, total control of every aspect of life, and seeing loved ones literally starve to death.

They're even physically different, because of their diets and lifestyles.

Someday, integrating these tens of millions of people into their society will be the South's problem.

Meanwhile, they have to deal with all the assorted expenses associated with living 50 miles from putative hair-trigger annihilation. From the perspective of insurers and defense contractors and the billions in wasted resources they represent, it's real enough.


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its probably a combo of both actually.


but zaryi, if we go knocking on Nkoreas door, China comes knocking on ours.


Which is why they won't do anything. The intricacies of foreign relations are just astounding. The Chinese will back the North Koreans, we will back the South. Any conflict between the two will always end up pulling China and the US into a conflict with one another, and despite how much China like to trash talk the United States, we're integral trade partners, and any act of violence between the two states will cause a global economic crises.

I miss my international relations prof, she was possibly the only thing that could've kept me at Western. :(


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Usdk wrote:
its probably a combo of both actually.


but zaryi, if we go knocking on Nkoreas door, China comes knocking on ours.


Which is why they won't do anything. The intricacies of foreign relations are just astounding. They Chinese will back the North Koreans, we will back the South. Any conflict between the two will always end up pulling China and the US into a conflict with one another, and despite how much China like to trash talk the United States, we're integral trade partners, and any act of violence between the two states will cause a global economic crises.


That's a myth made up by the so-called "experts", you know, those same pros who told us the world would collapse if we didn't invade the Bay of Pigs or play that stupid game with the Soviets for 50 years only to see it collapse from within, or that if we walked away from Vietnam the Commies would invade Tokyo, or that if allowed a "missile gap" to develop the result would be WWIII, or if we stopped supporting Israel the Middle East would blow up.

It's a load of crap.

The North Koreans are of no importance and the mistake we make in dealing with them is playing their game.

China needs us just as much as we need them. China would never allow an embargo for the same reason they won't allow tariffs or floating currency. If we broke off relations with China, all that would happen would be the economy would adjust. Everything we buy from them would come from somewhere else, and prices would adjust. The free market is a double-edged sword indeed.

There is no great intricacy. Only cowardice and stupidity.


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there is the matter of them owning a shit ton of our debt.


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there is the matter of them owning a poopy ton of our debt.


Devalue the currency. Problem solved.

Also, that is the very reason they will do whatever it takes to stay friendly with the US. You can't collect a debt from a hostile power, lol - or allow relations to deteriorate to the point where we will say, "OK, we don't fucking care what you think anymore, we're going to put up tariffs, float your currency whether you like it or not, and run our currency to the point where the debt sells for pennies on the dollar, literally."


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Unless you take it.


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Aestu wrote:
Zaryi wrote:
Usdk wrote:
its probably a combo of both actually.


but zaryi, if we go knocking on Nkoreas door, China comes knocking on ours.


Which is why they won't do anything. The intricacies of foreign relations are just astounding. They Chinese will back the North Koreans, we will back the South. Any conflict between the two will always end up pulling China and the US into a conflict with one another, and despite how much China like to trash talk the United States, we're integral trade partners, and any act of violence between the two states will cause a global economic crises.


The North Koreans are of no importance and the mistake we make in dealing with them is playing their game.


No, I completely agree - if we had ignored the regime there in the first place we wouldn't be bogged down by it in relations the way we are now.

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China needs us just as much as we need them. China would never allow an embargo for the same reason they won't allow tariffs or floating currency. If we broke off relations with China, all that would happen would be the economy would adjust. Everything we buy from them would come from somewhere else, and prices would adjust. The free market is a double-edged sword indeed.


Yes, China needs us, which is why I mentioned that they'd do all within their fairly formidable power to avert and sort of conflict between the Korea's. It's not economically viable for them to be in the 'doghouse' with the United States, despite what the vocal anti-West bloc within China spews.

and sorry for the slow response, I'm currently power-leveling engineering for tonight's raid >.<;


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North Korea readies Nuclear Missile Attack!

South Korea begins casting Nuclear Defense!

North Korea's missile attack fails because it was made in China

South Korea must roll for Laughing Damage


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You're breaking my balls, Hans Blix!

South Korea will build tons and tons of zerglings and hydralisks, and the guy microing will notice the red dot from the "nuclear launch detected" of the North Korean ghost and move his units out of the way.


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If war happened S Korea would win because of the superior strategic thinkers they have, trained on starcraft for years and years.

That being said, the war wouldnt happen because blizzard would stop it. A war would eat into their profit lines.


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i'll just twiddle my thumbs on this one, since you're all missing the point behind it.


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Rahloc wrote:
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North Korea readies Nuclear Missile Attack!

South Korea begins casting Nuclear Defense!

North Korea's missile attack fails because it was made in China

South Korea must roll for Laughing Damage


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hahahahahaha


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