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Whoever is the better player should get a crack at the loot first, barring a massive upgrade for the lesser person.

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I was holy at the time, the boomkin was clearly being a loot whore. Fuck druids.

Also, I maintain that unless the clothie is just TERRIBLE...they should always have priority over a non-cloth wearer. Seriously, how is it even remotely fair that a clothie should compete with leather/mail/plate wearers when they themselves can only wear cloth?

We had a debate over this a few months back when Meowth applied to Lumi. He had specifically put on his app that he wanted to be able to roll on cloth loot and was told no unless no clothies could use it then he would get priority over offspec. Having a holy pally that can wear any type of armor, I can see clothies going apeshit over this situation. I have never taken loot from a different armor class on my pally unless it was going to be de, or like the chain boots and pants that I still have for a haste set, we had no resto shamans in that run.

Armor proficencies should take priority, then other classes take priority over offpsec roles. When spirit becomes viable for all healing classes, do you think the druids that bitched about rolling on cloth are going to share loot tables with paladins and shamans? I think not. Weapons are the same way. A pally should not jump head long into that new mace when they can use swords too the same as a druid may want to leave that dagger for the priest and focus on the staff that the next boss drops.

Or we can all say fuck it and roll on every item we can.

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my thoughts on it are that i'm glad blizzard is trying to do something about it in cata by finally actually tying the armor class to your class (other armor classes are nerfed for you). they can't help that some itemization is going to bleed over if two classes use roughly the same stats (combat rogues and fury warriors, for example), so it's a decent way to add an extra level to itemization.

however, in the meantime, i don't care. bis is bis.

except for penthesilea and her fucking rogue bracers.

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As a cloth wearer I get very frustrated when classes capable of wearing higher armor classes all swoon over cloth. When you're limited to only one armor class it hurts when the only classes you don't have to compete with for gear are warriors, rogues and hunters.

In our main raids, we do not prevent people from taking lower armor class items. It's not really a paladin's fault if Blizzard is too fucking retarded to itemize plate gear correctly. As Dek said, BiS is BiS.

In any kind of pug situation though, where BiS 277 gear is not in question, non-cloth wearers can go get fucked and stick to your own armor class. The only time I think it would be appropriate for plate, leather, or mail to take cloth in a pug raid is if the cloth wearers pass on an item. If that piece (main spec of course) is going to rot or isn't an upgrade to cloth wearers, have at it. The average pug would cry "BUT ITS AN UPGRADE!!11!", but they're probably retarded anyway and are going off ilevel and have no clue what their doing. Our pugs usually run on these rules: you roll on the spec you are now, and you stay in your armor class.

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inc dek rolling on healing gear just to piss you off.

"omg that +spell crit is good for my poisons!"

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may I trade places with boomkins? I would love to have the option of all that haste/spirit tree gear!

How does this make sense? Every weapon type is shared across classes - why would you exclude paladins from maces (I'm sure mages and warlocks wouldn't mind them being excluded from swords) or druids from daggers (that priest can use the staff too)?

Yeah I don't agree so much with excluding people on weapons. That being said, if an ele shaman and a priest are going head to head for a dagger that has spirit on it...the priest should get it...I mean...seriously. I think it's all very subjective when it comes to weapons.

That is completely different than some gay ass moonkin jacking cloth gear from a poor mage.

Yeah, I just meant that where the items are appropriately itemized for both players (and there are maces good for paladins and daggers good for druids), the weapon proficiency doesn't matter.

I meant it more as a matter of consideration, and it really would depend on the level of an upgrade. We had a priest take trauma over a pally and druid when it first dropped even though the night before she had got the mace from ToC and the dagger from earlier in ICC (ten I think) then do nothing but complain about Traumas proc. I meant to point out the upgrade issue but obviously did not get my point accross.

9 level 90s and 10 85s, Damn I need another hobby.

I agree with Akiina about trade chat baddies going off ilvl and not actual stats.

I saw a Ret paladin with Cryptmaker the other day and I wanted to punch him through my monitor.

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I rage irl when I see tank-specced DKs with heroic Cryptmakers full of 30 stamina gems.

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