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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:23 pm  
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People were happier during vanilla, at least on BH.


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It's not fun playing with that sort of person, and moreover, I refuse to believe that someone who conducts themself that way is enjoying what they are doing. These same people who slog through heroics and zerg ICC for loot would smack kobolds for hours if it got them 264 gear. You think it's even possible to enjoy that?


If someone is playing this game, it's because they're getting something out of it. It doesn't matter if you don't think whatever they're doing is fun or worth doing, it only matters what they think. I find it hard to believe that someone with over 11000 achievement points and 145 different mounts is arguing that people shouldn't do grindy things to get things they want. Replace "if it got them 264 gear" with "if it got them a rare mount" and you would probably be at the head of the line spawn-camping those kobolds. A mount isn't intrinsically worth any more or less than a new piece of gear, it's worth whatever level of effort you are willing to put into it.
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Laelia wrote:
it's worth whatever level of effort you are willing to put into it.


To me this is the key. The actual effort required to get anything done these days seems to be extremely minimal. Not sure about hard mode raiding and such, but short of that i just don't see the challenge. No challenge is no satisfaction. No satisfaction is no enjoyment.

Kinda like my day job.


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Laelia wrote:
If someone is playing this game, it's because they're getting something out of it. It doesn't matter if you don't think whatever they're doing is fun or worth doing, it only matters what they think. I find it hard to believe that someone with over 11000 achievement points and 145 different mounts is arguing that people shouldn't do grindy things to get things they want. Replace "if it got them 264 gear" with "if it got them a rare mount" and you would probably be at the head of the line spawn-camping those kobolds. A mount isn't intrinsically worth any more or less than a new piece of gear, it's worth whatever level of effort you are willing to put into it.


Part of the charm of farming mounts and achievements is how diverse the challenges are. If all mounts were straight simple grindfests I wouldn't be interested in farming them, and I don't pretend having 145 mounts and 11,000 achievement points means anything other than exactly what it does, which is that I have 145 mounts and 11,000 achievement points because I went and got them.

Playing the game for its own sake - completionism - is not comparable to playing it for self-valuation - farming up a gearscore.


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Part of the charm of farming mounts and achievements is how diverse the challenges are. If all mounts were straight simple grindfests I wouldn't be interested in farming them, and I don't pretend having 145 mounts and 11,000 achievement points means anything other than exactly what it does, which is that I have 145 mounts and 11,000 achievement points because I went and got them.

Playing the game for its own sake - completionism - is not comparable to playing it for self-valuation - farming up a I AM A BAD PLAYER.


It's exactly the same thing. You value completion as a goal in the game, while someone else may value having the best gear they can obtain, or farming a Hyacinth Macaw, or making as much gold as possible. All are goals people can set for themselves, and there is no objective measure by which one is better or more worthy of time investment than the other. By the same token, what you see as "diverse challenges" from running the same trivial instance for months waiting for a rare drop would be incredibly boring to many other people. Everyone has fun in their own way, and claiming that everyone had more fun in TBC because you don't like how certain mechanics have changed is just silly.
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Laelia wrote:
It's exactly the same thing. You value completion as a goal in the game, while someone else may value having the best gear they can obtain, or farming a Hyacinth Macaw, or making as much gold as possible. All are goals people can set for themselves, and there is no objective measure by which one is better or more worthy of time investment than the other. By the same token, what you see as "diverse challenges" from running the same trivial instance for months waiting for a rare drop would be incredibly boring to many other people. Everyone has fun in their own way, and claiming that everyone had more fun in TBC because you don't like how certain mechanics have changed is just silly.


By "diverse challenges" I mean the many, many different ways mounts are obtained -- not just getting lucky in ZG. I've always said, it's the journey not the goal, and anyone who's ever been party to my efforts knows I wouldn't have it any other way.

Ask these GS champs how good they are at the game, or tell them they could do something better, or ask them to contribute more, or deny them something, or wipe to a boss, and see how they react. That is the difference. The design philosophy is a cheap appeal to instant gratification and absence of consequence.


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If you dont like it, leave.


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If you dont like it, leave.


Uh, yeah, that's the plan.


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Aestu wrote:
By "diverse challenges" I mean the many, many different ways mounts are obtained -- not just getting lucky in ZG. I've always said, it's the journey not the goal, and anyone who's ever been party to my efforts knows I wouldn't have it any other way.

Ask these GS champs how good they are at the game, or tell them they could do something better, or ask them to contribute more, or deny them something, or wipe to a boss, and see how they react. That is the difference. The design philosophy is a cheap appeal to instant gratification and absence of consequence.


Again, this has nothing to do with whether people were having fun or not. The central assumption of your original rant is that the design of this game is a failure because the player base is not having as much fun as they did during TBC. It appears what you meant to say is you don't like this game anymore, because you had more fun during TBC. That's perfectly valid, but the two arguments are not synonymous.

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I'm having more fun than I was in TBC
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So what do you think of this?

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25578319 ... g-changed/

You can only imagine what I think of it!

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What we will probably do with really unusual mounts like Mimiron's Head and Invincible is make them a rare drop. The 100% drop rate won't make sense when you can overpower the content.


I imagine you don't like it because you have Mimiron's head? If so, what about all of the achievements they didn't make impossible to obtain when TBC/WotLK launched that you took advantage of doing 10 levels higher than intended?

Or do you think it's stupid because they might do this in a situation where you need a mount/achievement and they turn in to a Baron's mount type grindfest?
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I'm having more fun than I was in TBC


thats just cause we get to hang out with Toppi 4 nights a week >.>


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Laelia wrote:
Again, this has nothing to do with whether people were having fun or not. The central assumption of your original rant is that the design of this game is a failure because the player base is not having as much fun as they did during TBC. It appears what you meant to say is you don't like this game anymore, because you had more fun during TBC. That's perfectly valid, but the two arguments are not synonymous.

Making a note here, huge success.


I made the point and backed it up with logic and provable facts. You chose to disregard it, not address what was said, and bounce back to square one by repeating what you originally said as a non sequitor.

If you want to say you've won something that's your choice. I don't know what your angle is here.


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