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Well, "I agree that this bites, but what is the alternative?" this part was sort of on topic.

The rest of what I was talking about were the various comments relating to TSA staff and retaliation against them. Just pointing out that these people are doing their jobs. Rail against the rules and change them if you can, but targeting the workers is misguided, particularly when a person knows the searches are a part of flying currently.

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The alternative is not having them. Unless I somehow missed something, we haven't had any recent problems.

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The whole bomb scare like 3 weeks ago kinda galvanized the TSA. I know security in Germany's been through the roof too since then, and I'm pretty sure a few other major countries (eg, France and England) have also seriously upped transit security.

The reason this is stupid is a simple concept:

You don't find a needle in a haystack by pouring more hay on it.


That's why trying to gather every single email and filtering for buzzwords is an inefficient and ineffective process. That's why searching everyone, or even a random sample of everyone, is an inefficient and ineffective process.

The best way to keep people safe is to do the detective work long before they ever get to airport security.

Sure, any process that is quick and easy, say walking through a metal detector, isn't really a problem. It adds extra security at practically no inconvenience. Scanning bags is a slightly higher cost but still probably a good idea.

Taking off your shoes? Retarded. Confiscating liquids? Retarded.

The idea of a full body scan is not inherently bad, but this one is far too intrusive, and too time intensive to be done on everyone walking through. If they had something akin to a metal detector that would detect certain chemicals on your person by simply walking through it, great, that would be worth it.

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i flew to denmark out of ohare 5 days ago. walked through a metal detector. have any of you actually seen any of these devices or procedures in any airports? i know i haven't. not once.

smells like media sensationalism.

Most threats and problems are classified at a classification the average law school student doesn't have access to, nor does the average law student have a need to know about these threats. We do know of a couple problems over the years - Shoe bomber, Underwear bomber, Toner bombs, 9/11, etc. (Those are just the ones we know about, though.) Using an aircraft as a missile is an effective strategy that has worked in the past. Will the TSA or these scanners make it harder for enemies to sneak weapons on planes... sure. Is it incredibly invasive? Yep. Might it even violate the 4th amendment. Probably. Will it make stop another attack? Nope.


People were concealing weapons in shoes. Liquids could be mixed to create explosive, corrosive or toxic results.

after spending like, 5-10 minutes taking things off/out and then putting them back on/in when i flew to and from california, i have vowed to just stick to land-based travel. hell, i've always wanted to travel in one of those trains where you have your own room. :]

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I understand the TSA staff are just doing their job. I'm not mad at those people...I'm mad at the government and TSA higher-ups who decide that the only way to protect us is through intrusive searches and technology that infringes upon our rights as citizens. If you watch Ron Paul's speech, he brings up the fact that government employees have stated that citizens give up their rights once they purchase a plane ticket...they claim that security trumps everything else. What bullshit is that? The government is supposed to protect individual rights, not take them away because you bought a plane ticket. Ever read 1984? It's a slippery slope. You start giving up your rights because of fear (*cough* Patriot Act, etc. etc.), and next thing you know, more and more individual liberties go bye bye. Fuck that.



My step-brother and his wife flew to Italy about a week and a half ago for their honeymoon. They were both selected for the nude scan, which they both opted out of. My brother had his junk felt by some guy (he didn't like it, but was like...eh whatever). His wife got felt up by some chick. She ended up crying afterwards because of how uncomfortable it made her (It didnt matter that it was a woman grabbing her boobs and groping her genitals..)

Just fucked up stuff if you ask me. It's not right.


On a side note, airline travel is already a pain in the ass as it is. These new procedures are slowing down an already ridiculous clusterfuck that is airline security. When people opt-out of the scan, it takes WAY longer to process them and do the individual search.

Also, there's a facebook group called "national opt-out day" scheduled for the day before thanksgiving (one of the biggest flight days of the year). I can't imagine the kind of slow shit hole the airport is gonna be if tons of people keep opting out hahah.

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I think we should adapt the model of the country that is surrounded by people wishing to blow them up and has less invasive security

OMG This.


Look, I think Israel are a bunch of assholes...but they have security in airports figured out more than the US does.

Our inefficient, finger-banging-passangers system is just bullshit.

When I was going from Munich back to the states, we had to go through 2 metal detectors, get wanded, had all of our carry-ons unpacked in front of us and examined, and also flashed our papers half a dozen times. Then again, the general airport security line wasn't nearly as bad. I asked the guy working there if I had to take off my shoes and he looked at me like I was on crack.

It was sort of the same in Philly, because we somehow grabbed a bomb in the sealed off 300 feet between our plane and customs. The best was when I got wanded and had to unpack all of my carry-ons in a random security check before i could board my flight to Cleveland which had 20 people on it.

Also, these things exist as I've seen them in both Cleveland and Philly. I find the ironic part in all of this is that I'm pretty sure the 9/11 terrorists bypassed security anyways. These retarded regulations only foil idiots.

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I can't wait to see what security procedures look like after someone puts some explosives up their rectum and tries to blow up an airplane.

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Did we even have security prior to 9/11? I remember a day where anyone could walk right up to the catwalk thingy at any gate...

I think it was just a metal detector and you didn't need a ticket.

TSA Official: "Spread em son"
*Citizen spreads legs*
Citizen: "There you go"
TSA Official: "Sorry, I should have been clearer...spread those cheeks"
Citizen: "......."


Also, guy turns on cell phone and tells TSA "if you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested" hehehe (at approx 3:22)

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