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i don't remember how i managed to do anything as a dps warrior.


disregard cc

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warriors get around lack of CC by doing infinite (and very high) DPS.


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They certainly did increase the amount and breadth of cc, and it's not as bad as it was during bc, but the problems are still there. I suppose my gripe comes from the last lfd I did, we broke up at Beauty because the exact group was s.priest/arms/unholy, warrior tank, shammy heals. It would have been infinitely easier with at least some cc.

I will also say they did a better job with the mechanics. BC heroics were only heroic for the healers, everything else was the same. There are more cases where boss fights are on the shoulders of the dps and some on the tanks. Of course, that means I've never killed Corla with the same dps that I started her with (really, how is that encounter so hard for people).


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Simca wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I have seen your last two threads, Aetsu, and I was less than impressed to say the least. Your threads have been very troll-y and inflammatory, likely on purpose. When I saw this thread, I was momentarily impressed, but then I realized the potential problems it poses.

Now, let me share some of my reasoning:
1. I feel this topic does not lead to a productive discussion. Most of the responses are going to either be people who got trolled or "LOLOLOL you got trolled" or "posting in an epic thread!!11".
2. More importantly though, since the thread's success lies on the understanding of a 1729 text which is not commonly taught in non-American schools, there will be a large amount of users who do not understand the reference. If they decide to post in response, they will likely be mocked relentlessly by the people who do get the reference.

My proposal was then to move the thread into the Fun Forum, where such threads may have slightly better success because their intent is much more obvious. However, the only online Fun Forum moderator at the time was strongly opposed to the request, so I'm going to lock this, but with indecision in my mind.

Since this lock is not in fact final, you are welcome to PM Sunshine to have her review it. I trust her judgement completely on this.


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I honestly don't care one way or the other that the thread is locked. I enjoyed writing the post and I think people had some good holiday cheer reading it. I don't feel any need to "appeal". If you feel that your judgment is less than perfect and would like a second opinion, then I'd encourage you to go ahead and solicit it as you see fit.

I don't see what harm comes of the thread.

Regarding your points:
1. The purpose of the thread is to amuse, not to provoke serious discussion. A good laugh never did anyone harm. Except the guy who laughed himself to death.
2. You don't need to be "familiar" with the Swift manifesto to appreciate a joke. Swift, of course, wrote an original work, and so his audience - and those for centuries thereafter, appreciated the humor of what he said, without reference to a prior joke.

You say the "1729 text" is "not often taught in non-American schools". I'm assuming you're American, because, in fact, the text is not American as you might assume but British. So in fact, the text, as you learned it, was taught in a different country from which it originated. And in turn it is logical to assume it is taught in other English-speaking countries.

If people get mocked...so what? They and everyone else will laugh and move on. Who dies when their epeen gets deflated a bit? At any rate, if certain people don't know about the Swift manifesto, now they do. So the thread will serve to educate those people. If every thread were written with the implicit assumption that all readers knew all the facts and references cited in the thread, discourse would spiral to the lowest level of knowledge and no one would ever learn anything new from reading a forum. Now, that doesn't seem very desirable, does it?

Those are my thoughts.

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Grimmgor wrote:
i don't remember how i managed to do anything as a dps warrior.

by running heroics with duka and i


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Yuratuhl wrote:
warriors get around lack of CC by doing infinite (and very high) DPS.

I was in that cloud place with a warrior who was doing infinite (and very high) DPS to banished targets for the entire duration.

I would group with you in a heartbeat, but if I'm running with wotlk allstars dps warriors and dks are some of the last people I want to see in my group.


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when i pay attention i do really good dps.



WHEN I PAY ATTENTION.


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The kicker is when XxZ0ulR33p3r420xX, Level 85 Blood Elf Death Knight of <EP1C B0NG R1PZZ XD> joins my group, the entire Death Knight class gets taken down a couple pegs.


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I've ran many of the heroics with this group composition: Fury Warrior, Arms Warrior, Prot Warrior, Frost Mage, Holy Paladin.

Most of the heroics I can heal through fine without CC so long as the stuff that needs interrupting is interrupted and tank maintains aggro on the mobs.

They are not hard at all and I am surprised people haven't thought about raids yet. I am already almost all geared out in epics (for my holy spec), stuff's easy. The only way that they are hard is because people don't know what shit does, cataclysm is merciless to new players since many things you stand in will one shot you or cause unnecessary damage.

Maybe it's just cause the warrior group was a guild run that it worked. I do pug things a lot and it takes a while to find a group full of players who know the fights and know what to do to avoid damage. I've had to carry many pugs, they aren't all that bad though.


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I havent had the chance to do alot of heroics i think i have done 2 in total but i like the way it is now and Mind control in heroics is secks
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Mns wrote:
The kicker is when XxZ0ulR33p3r420xX, Level 85 Blood Elf Death Knight of <EP1C B0NG R1PZZ XD> joins my group, the entire Death Knight class gets taken down a couple pegs.


I didn't know there was any pegs for DK's to go down.


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Simca wrote:
I realize the text is in fact, British, but that doesn't really change my point. It isn't taught outside of American and British schools usually. This does somewhat isolate the foreign community to the presence of a joke in the thread.

Out of the four moderators online (all European) besides myself, none of them got the joke. After explaining it, two of them were still in favor of locking the thread (inc the Fun Forum moderator), and the other two didn't respond.

I will talk to Sunshine myself about it if for no other reason than to just discuss the issue of threads without useful discussion that are funny, but I don't know how/when she'll be around today because of the day it is. On that note,


Happy Holidays!
- Simca


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I realize the text is in fact, British


Calling BS on this

Simca wrote:
Out of the four moderators online (all European) besides myself, none of them got the joke. After explaining it, two of them were still in favor of locking the thread (inc the Fun Forum moderator), and the other two didn't respond.


MMO Champ moderation is srs bizness. It's like they think they're the Vatican. Arrogant French guy gets all Euro moderators for an American-language site with 75% American traffic. Imagine that.


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Weena wrote:
Mns wrote:
The kicker is when XxZ0ulR33p3r420xX, Level 85 Blood Elf Death Knight of <EP1C B0NG R1PZZ XD> joins my group, the entire Death Knight class gets taken down a couple pegs.


I didn't know there was any pegs for DK's to go down.

I've had to drill some holes in the floor.

In other news, I've been the only warlock I've seen grinding, so warlocks are at an all-time high.


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Mns wrote:
In other news, I've been the only warlock I've seen grinding, so warlocks are at an all-time high.


If you're talking about lfd grinding you wouldn't see another lock. I've never seen two of the same dps classes in an lfd group, that's the way they match groups (you are also very unlikely to see 3 melee or 3 casters). Even more unlikely now that all the servers are mingled.


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Mns wrote:
In other news, I've been the only warlock I've seen grinding, so warlocks are at an all-time high.


If you're talking about lfd grinding you wouldn't see another lock. I've never seen two of the same dps classes in an lfd group, that's the way they match groups (you are also very unlikely to see 3 melee or 3 casters). Even more unlikely now that all the servers are mingled.


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