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I didn't like rift, but I can't say I gave it a real chance either.

MMOs are endgame and the trial doesn't give you any of that.

if only I had time to make it to every mmo's end gameeeez. but yeah ^

I'm trying it on BH's Mythrandir's trial right now, like him- I like the customization of the characters in the game. I also like the graphics, but not sure about the rest.

I don't understand the point of playing an inferior clone of an obsolete paradigm.

MMOs are a going concern and I don't see Rift as a going concern. Especially since it comes off as much more "straight and narrow" than WoW.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

So you don't know whether or not its inferior because you haven't played it, and you still play that obsolete paradigm you're downtalking.

ok.

As I said, MMOs are a going concern. That certainly pertains to WoW and my character as I've made a commitment to it since 2007. Atm that going concern is reaching its terminus.

As opposed to proceeding with an existing commitment - to begin a new commitment to what is already obsolete and much narrower in horizons doesn't make much sense to me.

I don't need to have played Rift to know that it's very, very similar to WoW but smaller and lacks much of the diversity of content and polish that WoW does, or that Rift has borrowed many of the worst elements of WoW such as excessive use of porting and automated grouping systems.

If Rift's intent is to copy the WoW paradigm then it would make sense to not copy the worst elements of it. Unless, of course, they just don't have any ideas so they blindly emulate.

Any curiosity I might have is significantly diminished by the inordinate appeal of the game to WoW wash-outs.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Of course it's smaller, its a new game. How could you expect a game to come out that has as much as 3 expansion packs and 7(?) years of another mmo?

This "obsolete" committment rakes in millions upon millions a month for a successful game, and rift just hit around 2 million accounts. MMO's aren't going any fucking where.

excessive use of porting? there's maybe two ports per zone, if that.

There's a difference between a wow washout and people who are sick of wow and blizzard. I, and most of the people i play with, were good at wow and had wanted to move on to something else for a while. To be honest I didn't think I'd like rift but after playing to 50 and running around killing people in game it's pretty fun.

The automated grouping system is still server only, so it preserves the sense of community.

I'm actually glad you're not going to play it, but I dont see the point in shit talking a game you haven't and won't play. Other people here might be/are interested.

I'm not talking about sheer quantity of content. WoW has more than just dungeons and raids and has for many years. There's collecting, professions, novelty items, lore, etc... I've not heard anyone talking about anything like that about Rift.

There is also the fact that - as has been said - a great part of WoW's appeal is that it appeals to casuals and and people outside the typical gamer profile. This means the game community is much more interesting, vibrant, and viable in the long term. Rift doesn't have that quality.



When I say "obsolete", I'm not talking about MMOs as a genre. I'm talking about the EQ/WoW/Rift paradigm, based around grinds and instances. Vanilla WoW borrowed too heavily from EQ in many respects, and the current iteration of WoW, as well as Rift, is just more of the same.

That the best thing anyone can say about Rift is that the dungeons are "okay" is enough for me to know it's not of interest.

I haven't heard anything about open-ended gameplay other than talent trees... such as a myriad of progression options in the game (and I don't mean just PvP/PvE casual/hardcore etc, I mean collecting and such). That, to me, would be progress past the EQ paradigm.



I was referring more to porting to instances etc.



lol

You failed (hard) at Sindragosa then ninja logged rather than admit you made a mistake. I've seen you do such things more than once but on that particular occasion the failure (and your reaction to it) was particularly striking. More so than if you just did a mea culpa.

Basically, I see you as a frustrated elitist who lost interest in WoW when the game became more balanced and meritocratic than Vanilla PvP. You talk big but I've never seen you do anything to back it up. What I have seen suggests the contrary.

Rift, it seems, offers you nothing but another setting without a suitable context to establish definitions of "good" and "bad".



If there's a "sense of community" the system is redundant.



Fanboism is lame in any setting whether it's WoW or Rift or anything else. Especially when it's driven by failure.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I've heard multiple time from multiple people that rift is too similar to WoW. You really don't need to play a game in order to have an interest in it, or to have your opinion shaped. In addition, it doesn't make my opinion worth any more or less than yours.

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Quantity of content? there's all manner of crafting professions, mounts, artifacts to find around the world, etc. Nice not-google.



Don't know who said that, but I everyone i met in wow was either a gamer or an idiot, and often both.



In that case I don't see your complaint. Why wait around to get to an instance that already(and this is a pvp nerd's opinion) has too much trash and takes too much time to complete.



oh noes a bad night raiding. that's never happened to anyone. never. I "ninja logged" after the third time you said "this is the last attempt," which was arond the 8ths or 9th attempt, and I still feel entirely justified in doing so. especially because it was like two weeks to cata and i could give a fuck about your shadowmourne.

Meritocratic? WOW? really? I can fuck around in instances all day and get carried to full badge gear, then carried to raids no problem. and we ALL know people who have done that.

Yes wow is similar to Rift, but Rift is more enjoyable because it's not the same rehashed bullshit troll instances and ragnaros again. OH MAN WHAT ZUL'WHATEVER IS IT GONNA BE THIS TIME

Google? All I said is I haven't heard people talk about it.

You say that content is there, can you substantiate that with links to materials or describe it?



That's not WoW. Today, maybe, but not historically.



It is the opinion of a PvP nerd, exactly.

MMOs are about exploration, the experience, etc. If you want to zone in and own people go play Halo or Counterstrike or some other game balanced around that.



...yet you cared enough about gear two weeks to cata to show up? and how could you feel justified when it was your error that caused the wipe? A collection of excuses all the same, corroborating my viewpoint.



True. Doesn't make you leet. And that's what you want, isn't it?



It's a rehash of WoW itself. Rehash is rehash.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm not going to link something you're not going to read. If you want to look it up, google is your friend.

Today maybe and definitely historically, I haven't played that game since winter. it started getting bad in wotlk, god knows how awful it is now.

You can still go and explore if you want to, you don't have to take the teleport. I've walked to all the instances and now i prefer to port. Nothing wrong with that.

If i wanted to be leet, I'd have an entirely different lifestyle.

If rehash is rehash, shouldn't you never play an mmo again? Or any other games for that matter?

You wanted to make a thread telling us how great Rift is, you provide the info.



And how will Rift transcend current WoW's flaws? They're taking all the same bad approaches plus some more.



You can't act as if it doesn't exist. The game is balanced around what it is. The ball is played as it lies. And when I say "explore", I don't just mean walk instead of porting, I mean generally open-ended gameplay.



Being awesome at pvp is your entire persona.



That's my point. The MMO genre can and should evolve past the EQ/WoW/Rift paradigm rather than just making new permutations of it. Which is why Rift is pointless.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

So when I said:


You read:


Fine, here's your proof that rift has all that extra shit you love: http://rift.zam.com/

I dont' know how rift will transcend wow's current flaws. I'm not the design team. Though if they rehash frontier style rvr like daoc had I'll fucking jizz all over myself.

Open ended game play? When you said teleporting around was a problem, how was i supposed to know that open ended game play was what you were talking about? you don't get open ended gameplay in an mmo.

Aestu you dont know me from apple butter, nor my persona. You want to find out my persona? fly your happy ass down here and hang out.

The genre is a chatroom with swords and spells. Games like this are only fun for people like me if I like the people I'm playing with. That won't evolve.

It's not just me that loves "that extra shit".

If you want a PvP-based game with chat functionality, and you think all that extra shit is superfluous and that MMOs aren't and shouldn't be open ended - what's the point of MMOs compared to Halo/CS FPS-type games?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.