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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:07 am  
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Then say, "the multi-player in SC2 is balanced," I shouldn't have to guess just because you incompletely communicate your thoughts. I don't do the RTS thing, too much bullshit going on at one time for my taste. If I wanted to multi-task, I'd finish a degree and go manage something, so I'll probably never play the game.

Blizzard was doing fine until Activision came into the picture...not great, but fine. It's a shame about Activision, because a lot of the really great games I played as a kid were made by that company.

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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:16 am  
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While there are some legitimate gripes about the current state of the game, I think a lot of the negativity is driven by two things - 1) people forgetting how fun (or rather unfun) the game actually was in the past, and 2) enjoying the social aspects less due to friends quitting. The first is pretty normal - if you think back to your high school years, you almost certainly remember parties with friends, not the hundreds of hours spent in classrooms learning stuff you forgot the day after finals. The second can make playing less fun now, but it doesn't have much to do with the game itself. I think if you look at an alternate world where Cata was the original release of the game and they were now remaking the world into original Vanilla state and introducing features like 40 man raids and the honour system, it should be clear how much the objective quality of the game has improved.


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:55 am  
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Laelia wrote:
While there are some legitimate gripes about the current state of the game, I think a lot of the negativity is driven by two things - 1) people forgetting how fun (or rather unfun) the game actually was in the past, and 2) enjoying the social aspects less due to friends quitting. The first is pretty normal - if you think back to your high school years, you almost certainly remember parties with friends, not the hundreds of hours spent in classrooms learning stuff you forgot the day after finals. The second can make playing less fun now, but it doesn't have much to do with the game itself. I think if you look at an alternate world where Cata was the original release of the game and they were now remaking the world into original Vanilla state and introducing features like 40 man raids and the honour system, it should be clear how much the objective quality of the game has improved.


#2 is dead on.

#1? If that were true the game would have died in 2007.


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:59 am  
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starcraft 2 is a failure until non shit custom maps come out.
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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:25 am  
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Make money?

Yep. Activision is learning from its brother... http://www.cnbc.com/id/43228471
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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:12 am  
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Aestu wrote:
Solo questing is a stupid and bad idea; solo questing is contrary to what an MMO is all about which is playing with other players. The overwhelming majority of all quests have always been soloable and the idea that ALL quests should be soloable is driven by trying to make the MMO genre appeal to people who shouldn't be playing MMOs in the first place.

It's part of one of the worst choices that Blizzard made in this game which is trying to insulate players from each other so that people who would normally be too stupid, stubborn, immature, socially impaired or just plain rude won't be ostracized and cancel account. So instead, everyone who isn't any or all of those things cancels account. Brilliant.



I understand where you are coming from with this line of reasoning, but I still think it's a little harsh. In theory, your friends won't be available 24-7 to play an MMO, so I feel like there has to be at least SOME aspects of the game that you could play by yourself. Has Blizzard over-emphasized this? Maybe. Having tried Rift, one thing I did like about it was the Rifts that would appear randomly in the world. You'd have to join an open party and work together with other people in order to close the Rift. Maybe something like this could introduce a more multiplayer experience into the regular world.

I certainly don't think all quests should be soloable - and Blizz should put more "kill this boss/group style quests" at the end of more quest chains. But, I don't think the title of "MMO" means you should only be able to have fun/do things in game with other people. Soloing and Multiplayer can co-exist.


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:05 am  
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Cross Realm Bg's/Dungeon's ruined WoW.


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
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Seribus wrote:
Cross Realm Bg's/Dungeon's ruined WoW.


You probably mean this in context of the decline of realm communities.

Valid point, but what I think is at least as serious a problem resulting from this is an entire generation of players whose attitude is: "U SAID IM NOT AWESUM? UR IGNORED" They take advantage of the lack of accountability and identity in the system to go from group to group, blaming the equally anonymous randoms they play with for anything that doesn't go as it should.

So ultimately, what you have, is totally unskilled players whose only accomplishment is winning need rolls and buying VP epics, who have no concept of effort or adaptation.

Some people, particularly those who really don't play the game anymore and are out-of-touch with the realities of modern WoW, might say, "Then don't use LFD/BGs".

But that's the problem - this attitude isn't exclusive to LFD or bad random BGs anymore. It has come to pervade the community at large. Trying to form groups from trade (and I have), doesn't accomplish anything, because the majority of the playerbase these days takes the LFD attitude everywhere.

If you ask a question, they will ignore it.
If you give an instruction, something simple, like "mount up and run into this door, right now", they will ignore it.
When something doesn't go as it should, they'll trash talk.
When they are given constructive advice, they'll trash talk.

They will AFK randomly, or more often, they'll just not even try, and only press their buttons sporadically.

People who aren't socially and mentally impaired don't want to play with people like that, so the people who aren't retarded are gradually leaving the game, leaving only this trash behind.

I've largely given up pugging as a result. It's simply not possible to work with this human material. Previously, over the course of many weeks or months, you might see a certain degree of improvement in mediocre players, or they could be motivated to perform better one way or another. But these players just can't be motivated at all. They're used to being able to just do whatever then drop group when they don't get what they want.

This is also a driving force in dismal raid guild recruitment: new players don't have the skills and attitude serious raid guilds need when they lose experienced players to attrition.

Like I said, I firmly believe that a major factor in this kind of behavior is that LFD enables that kind of behavior, and in the long run, it has made it widely accepted, and a lot of newer players simply don't know any other way to behave.

Honestly, lately WoW feels like something out of Atlas Shrugged.


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:28 pm  
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To be fair, Aestu, you've done a pretty good job at pissing off most of the decent people on the server.


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:33 pm  
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Mns wrote:
To be fair, Aestu, you've done a pretty good job at pissing off most of the decent people on the server.


Like you? The "cream of horde"?

You don't even know any decent players on this server, and basically no one who still plays on this server knows, much less cares, who you are.


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:34 pm  
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He hasn't pissed me off.

Of course I won't attempt to claim any decency.

Blizzard did a lot of things right. But for anybody playing past a couple of years, it doesn't matter how right they get it, because it's already been seen.

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 Post subject: Re: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:40 pm  
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Weena wrote:
He hasn't pissed me off.

Of course I won't attempt to claim any decency.

That.
Blizzard did ZA right and troll instances in general.

Also I think Call of Duty: Elite killed the franchise for me.

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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:46 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Like you? The "cream of horde"?

RM, Dissension, and Tempest.

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You don't even know any decent players on this server, and basically no one who still plays on this server knows, much less cares, who you are.

I knew who was good back when it mattered. You've done a pretty good job in saying that knowing who's good doesn't matter anymore, so I don't know why you're making such a personal attack about it.

My dad has 5 kids (2 from the marriage with my momma and 3 from another one) and they've all severed contact with him. The latest one was my brother, who he pretty much crafted in his entirely stubborn, super-anal, supersmart image. They used to be really close until my dad got into an argument with my brother about his girlfriend of 2-years, who's a first generation from Hong Kong (I think). Dad called her and her family a bunch of "primitive people" and my brother left the room and they haven't talked since. Now my Dad's calling my brother wondering what he did wrong.

The first person I thought of was you, then Larry David as a close second.

PS: Are you still mad about me making comments about your e-girlfriend?


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 Post subject: Re: What Has Blizzard Done Right?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:52 pm  
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i guess, pretty much. the community thing. I met a lot of people from Dungeons and Bg's. now i would say most people(dungeons) just use the LfD tool, i mean its great but most groups you get tossed into, there is a lack of chatting. and most of all you will never see these people again. at least for me i would do dungeons before the tool from trade, if the run went well, i would add players to my friends list and try to setup future runs with said people.Aestu, i think you know this headed so.

Also as for the Attitude, i agree a bit, i mean you will never play with these people again. so acting like shit is fine.


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