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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:08 pm  
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I'm being completely serious. There's no evidence that unicorns don't exist. Not to mention a one-horned horse is a lot more plausible than an invisible friend who has a thought-out plan for everyone and everything in the world for all time.


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:12 pm  
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/ ... 1646.shtml
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Not exactly the stereo-typical a 'horse with magic rainbow-brite powers unicorn' but just because we haven't seen it (single-horned horse-like quadruped) before doesn't mean it hasn't, doesn't or can't exist.
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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:48 pm  
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You aren't answering the question. Do you believe in unicorns?


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:52 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
contrary to popular belief, there were civilizations before the ancient greeks.

the world was round before the greeks proved it was round. asetu missed eturnals point before it was made.


The point is that deduction can be used to determine truth. If you have no such deduction in support of a belief then all you have is a wild claim with nothing to support it. Any claim no matter how insane could be made under the premise that evidence and reasoning might. Exist. No - you have the goods or you don't. It is really that simple.


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:03 pm  
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Mns wrote:
You aren't answering the question. Do you believe in unicorns?

Sure, it's possible something like that could exist somewhere in the world/universe, although I haven't personally seen it.
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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:05 pm  
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Mns wrote:
Do you people believe in unicorns too?

(Serious Question)


I don't disbelieve in unicorns. They could have existed, and no one has discovered their fossilized remains yet...maybe because they're underneath the bones of the missing link.

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Oh, we're doing this again, are we?


You probably shouldn't complain about anything he posts as if he's doing something stupid after...

Mns wrote:
Argument is a red herring. You're flaccid no matter what the situation is.


...having openly invited him to be stupid only a short time before his response. You really shouldn't complain considering he's not joking or attempting to grab attention for himself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn#Single-horned_goat

mazeltov wrote:
Jubber in his mind is thinking "no that's ridiculous" what he types will be some sort of middle of the road meaningless response saying nothing but taking up a lot of space.


I must admit that your ability to be meaningless in the space of a single sentence is far more impressive.

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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
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What about Santa Claus?


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:17 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:

I don't disbelieve in unicorns. They could have existed, and no one has discovered their fossilized remains yet...maybe because they're underneath the bones of the missing link.



My prediction was spot on. Praise the lord!


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:28 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
Mns wrote:
Argument is a red herring. You're flaccid no matter what the situation is.


...having openly invited him to be stupid only a short time before his response. You really shouldn't complain considering he's not joking or attempting to grab attention for himself


Now that the conversation has turned to fantasy goats, I'm going to prove both you wrong.

Ohhh yeahhhhh...


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:31 pm  
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Mns wrote:
What about Santa Claus?


He existed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

Basis in fact for a silly tradition...does this not make you think that perhaps some of the other things people believe in that you find silly have some basis in fact?

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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
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So by that logic, the events described in the holy books are factually true but not supernatural. Therefore, doesn't that corroborate the reasoning that there aren't supernatural beings because the things attributed to them as testament to their existence weren't supernatural at all?


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:41 pm  
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Please stop dodging my questions.

Do you believe that a fat, bearded man takes international trips on his flying chariot pulled by reindeer and throws presents down chimneys every Christmas?


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:42 pm  
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mazeltov wrote:
My prediction was spot on. Praise the lord!

I'm pretty sure that "not disbelieving" in something means that he believes in it (unicorns).


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
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I'm jumping back to three pages ago only to address Dooj, as this conversation seems to be definitively ended.


Boredalt wrote:
It only matters what you think they are, I suppose. There is a HUGE portion of these people who probably think you're an idiot and a terrible person because of your lack of faith. You don't care what any of them think. They don't care what you think.


I care what they think insofar as what they think negatively affects the lives of others. The reason I so despise religion is because it's a giant hindrance, and it's crippling to humanity. And no, it doesn't only matter what they think they are, because their mistaken assumptions that they are good people doing god's work is leading to the deaths of their dependents. Fuck them. By no definition are they decent human beings.


Boredalt wrote:
Sweet. We can start with religion, then we can start legislating against other forms of freedoms and thinking we don't agree with.


In a perfect world, neither religion nor conservatives would exist.

My Utopia aside, I'm well aware that legislating away something as divisive would only encourage true believers to become even crazier, since they positively thrive on false victimization. As Aestu said later, though, I definitely think it's long past time religious institutions got saddled with the same rules affecting everyone else. They should be paying taxes. They should be subject to the same freedom-of-assembly rules and restrictions on defamation/libel/slander as everyone else. There should be unassailable separation between church and state, and that means no more public officials swearing on the bible because that shit has no place in politics.


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I completely understand everyone's disagreement, because I don't agree with these people. However, I personally know a LOT of people who have strong religious beliefs. These friends are from various faiths, including Catholics, Mormons, Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Baptists, Muslims and even a couple of JW's. I have had spirited discussions with many of them due to my disdain for organized religion. We don't agree, but they aren't idiots. They aren't bad people. They are some of the most intelligent, caring, helpful, productive people you could ever meet. Lumping all of these people into one pot of religious insanity is like saying all attorneys are over-litigious, douche bag liars out to cheat everyone in sight out of every cent they can get. Heeey... maybe after we legislate religion into oblivion, we can use the same tactic to rid ourselves of lawyers. 8)


They aren't idiots, except when it comes to belief. They aren't bad people, except when religion interferes with morality. At the end of the day, they believe in the same unprovable, invisible sky being that the lunatics protesting funerals and the mad bombers believe in. So long as they continue to be religious, I'll continue to lump them in the same pot of religious insanity.

And let's be honest, only lawyers write legislation. Do you think we'd be silly enough to outlaw ourselves? :P


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 Post subject: Re: murder vs attempted murder
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I don't support outlawing religion. However, I don't think the religious can complain about such an action given their repeated attempts to and successes at legislating away the rights of others.


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