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I wouldn't take it that far. There are some people doing the wrong thing. There are more who aren't. Many of the ones who aren't do not attempt to dissuade the others, but the reason for that is not always that they are endorsing the behavior by turning a blind eye to it. Anyone who is pissy enough to blow themselves up to kill people or toss rocks at armed soldiers and tanks is generally pissy enough to do the "if you're not with me, you're against me" punch-in-the-face when confronted...if not the shoot/stab-in-the-face.

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Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

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Yeah but, remove either the palestinians from the equation or the israelis.


whats left to fight about?

A real man would find something to fight about. It's what we do.

After the fighting, everyone would have a drink and talk about how much fun it was.

We were probably doing it wrong when I was a kid, though, because we (usually) didn't shoot each other.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Something i found, well actually my mom emailed to me, just may be interesting to take a look at it.

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Flash: Major New Development in Flotilla Story? Evidence Emerges of Government-Flotilla Link; Brave Turkish Nationalists Try to Calm Things Down

By Barry Rubin*

June 9, 2010

http://www.gloria-center.org/gloria/201 ... illa-story

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I've written about how the Gaza flotilla issue and stirring up a hysterical hatred of Israel is playing a role in internal Turkish politics as the government tries to use this demagoguery to continue eroding Turkish democracy and to win the next election. And a little later I'm going to talk about a major new development in the flotilla story.

In addition, while Turks are united in anger and sorrow about the deaths of nine of their citizens, they do not necessarily agree with the current government's extremist response which threatens to lead to involving Turkey in violence and damaging its reputation abroad.

The leader of the main opposition, Ataturkist and social democratic party, Kemal Kilicdaroglu stated that Prime Minister Erdogan, "Almost declared war against Israel in his party's meeting....Our party displays a more moderate and careful approach. Foreign policy can't be carried out with heroism but with reason. The Turkish Foreign Ministry should publicly disclose correspondence made with Israel so that we may all learn whether Israel warned Turkey or not."

Now you might ask yourself what is Kilicdaroglu hinting at here? And the answer is important and potentially explosive. There is a widespread story, which cannot yet be verified but seems to be more than a rumor, for why this tragedy might have happened. People ask: Why did the Israeli soldiers land on a ship where they should have expected to be received with a violent attack?

According to some people who are in a position to know, here's the reason: Erdogan assured Israel that the ship's passengers were peaceful and there would be no violence. That's why Israel approached taking and diverting the ship in the manner it did. Is this true? I don't know but it is definitely a story to watch. And here--the important development I referred to above--is the most detailed account yet of the connection between the Turkish government and the IHH, a group with terrorist connections which organized the flotilla and initiated the violence. Don't fail to check out this source, which I've found to be very reliable over the years.

It is understandable, especially given what they've been told by their government and media, that Turks are very upset about the deaths. Yet it is important to understand that there are different views in Turkey over how to handle this problem. The government wants a confrontation and has been moving into an alliance with Iran and Syria long before the latest events. The opposition wants to uphold Turkish honor but not to break with the West or turn this into a near-war situation with Israel.

Here's an interesting example.

Erdogan said that Israel's peaceful seizure of five boats and its self-defense on the sixth (you can imagine, these aren't his words) was against Judaism, a subject on which he purports to be an expert.

Kilicdaroglu, responded:

Erdogan knows the Torah; we thank him. What does its sixth commandment say? Do not kill! But the holy book also has an eighth commandment, which says 'Do not steal.' And the ninth commandment says 'Do not lie.'"

Kilicdaroglu has built his career on fighting the current government's corruption and presumably will make a major election theme.

Erdogan responded by accusing the leader of the opposition of being an apologist for Israel, saying among other things,: "He is acting like Tel Aviv's lawyer." The attempt is to paint the opposition leader as a flunky of the hated state, another step in the regime's effort to transform Turkish politics into something more closely resembling those of Egypt, Syria, or Iran.

*Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs (MERIA) Journal. His latest books are The Israel-Arab Reader (seventh edition), with Walter Laqueur (Viking-Penguin); the paperback edition of The Truth About Syria (Palgrave-Macmillan); A Chronological History of Terrorism, with Judy Colp Rubin, (Sharpe); and The Long War for Freedom: The Arab Struggle for Democracy in the Middle East (Wiley). To read and subscribe to MERIA, GLORIA articles, or to order books, go to http://www.gloria-center.org. You can read and subscribe to his blog at http://www.rubinreports.blogspot.com.

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This just in - President Obama is going to unveil a $400,000,000 'civilian aid package' to the Palestinians. He said the situation in Gaza is 'Unsustainable'...

How many mortars will that buy?

I'd like to see him unveil an aid package for his own people who are in need. $400 million would sure help a lot of homeless, sick, and hungry in his own back yard. I wonder how many other countries are committing these kinds of funds to this cause.

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Well, there was his $787,000,000,000.00 stimulus package which did... {crickets}

this amused me

i love my extended family

She's right, you need the sun to not die.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

I meant Sarine

D:

not my sister

Dumb.

caroline glick, the chick who wrote and got fired for writing that "we con the world" music skit:



figures

better to be on the good side of mossad than the bad.

even if you don't support everything, ffs, they're too efficient.

Why doesn't that cunt speak english?