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I enjoy rice, anime and video games too much to see Japan get screwed. All I can do is offer my expert opinion... like, if Chernobyl v2.0 did happen, then Southern Japan better make some taller buildings that can withstand tidal waves and day-shortening earth quakes.

It's not a good situation (it hasn't been since it began, really). The sensationalism I referred to is news outlets painting things as they weren't. CNN on March 13th was particularly guilty (nuclear blast? come on).

You have to remember that the reactor itself at Chernobyl was on fire for 10 days or so and spewed radiation the entire time. This is no Chernobyl, and the worst case scenario, in my opinion which could be wrong, is nothing on the scale of Chernobyl.

That being said, it's deteriorating slowly but surely and they'll have to (in my opinion) take desperate measures to bring a solution to the situation (i.e. entombing from airborne dropping of concrete or something along that line).

I'm no expert either and if I were, the situation is fluid as can be and doesn't have enough data to paint an accurate picture of how things can go, I think. So I don't.

Also, I don't get a "we got this" attitude from them, they just release the facts that they have and communicate them to the IAEA also. There's no point in operators and agencies and authorities going all AHHHHHHHHHH DOOMSDAY!, they do as best as they can to keep this shit contained, and that includes "keeping your cool".

Update 25 from NISA: http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/file ... 0316-4.pdf

Haven't read 24 yet and my lunch is over

Most of the contamination from Chernobyl, iirc, was the initial explosion not the long fire thereafter, and Chernobyl was bad largely because the reactor had no containment vessel.

In the case of these reactors, it appears likely there has been some damage/emission from the containment vessels. So there will be some long-term consequences. And of course Japan is a much smaller, denser place than Belarus.

If that containment vessel were not there at all, this disaster would have been many times worse than Chernobyl, both because of the nature of the accident and the sheer number of people and importance of areas affected.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

^Yeah. I just have a disdain for alarmist media stories, that's all.

I read a few opinion pieces by scientists/science communicators today, also the thoughts in the sc. community (those i heard from anyway) hover around "it's getting out of control". No links on my phone but there was a good one at the nature journal site (no sub required I think).

The BBC also has good reporting as usual, using the confirmed elements as well.

NISA.meti.co.jp (click english) releases irregularly, and ATM I'd say that IAEA (google for link) would be the best source of neutral opinionless info.


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let's not forget about the impending genocide in libya.

you should thank obama and the rest of the world for not enforcing a no fly zone allowing gadhafi to bomb the shit out of everyone opposing him.

or maybe blame reagan for not killing him 30 years ago.

tomorrow's gonna be an interesting day.


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I'm curious to know if you succeeded. It seems that any inventory is being seized in the US.

And not by civilians.

PS: Kelp.

I had no luck finding any. All online retailers are out of stock. I couldn't find any local pharmacies that stocked any Pot. Iodide or Iostat, either. I didn't know Kelp was rich in Iodine... I guess I'll look into it before I take off. The pharmacist said the normal dose of Iodine for adults is 130mg a day which seems like a lot.

Anyone hear if they're saying some giant squinty-eyed green cloud of radioactive death and despair is going to settle on San Francisco next week?

Site for monitoring (environmental) radiation- http://eq.wide.ad.jp/index_en.html

This is the latest: http://eq.wide.ad.jp/110317radioactivity_1300_en.html /// PDF (units are in uSv/hr, PDFs are in japanese but have an english supporting page for translations - first page is 16 march, second is 17 march, columns are time, rows are cities)

Those are absorption rates for people in the vicinity of the recordings, I think they're all ~25KM away from the Dai-ichi plant?

Radiation exposure in daily life

To add to the above, impacts from acute (i.e. instant or fast, don't panic lolol) intake happen at (apologize for the ghetto graph, I got the login screen when I was about to post and lost it):
(units: mSv -- 1 mSv = 1000 uSv; 1 Sv = 1000 mSv)
Qty - whole body exposure -- xx | local exposure -- xx
200 - body -- no clinical symptoms (200 and below)
500 - body -- decreasing lymphocyte in peripheral blood
1000 - body -- nausea, vomiting in 10% of people | lens -- clouding of the lens (500-2000)
3000 - body -- mortality rate of 50% | skin -- hair loss (3000-6000)
4000 - body -- ' ' | 'nads -- permanent infertility (3000-6000)
5000 - body -- ' ' | lens -- cataract | skin -- erythema (5000-6000)
7000-10000 - body -- mortality rate of 100% |
10000 & + - body -- ' ' | skin -- acute ulcer

Examples:
0.03 mSv/hour = 260 mSv/1year
0.057 mSv/hour = 500 mSv/1year
0.08 mSv/hour = 700 mSv/1year
0.0023 mSv/hour = 100 mSv/5year
Of course, if one stays and absorbs for those times.
0.144 uSv/hour < 10 mSv/hour; by a factor of ~70,000
Etc, you get the jist.

Assuming this data is accurate, very few people are getting seriously sick in the here and now (mostly those who were victims of primary exposure). However, this is a densely inhabited area and people will be exposed to whatever residual radiation remains their entire lives.

It will definitely be necessary to do what I had said - excavate the entire area - to prevent long-term health issues.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I think Bill Maher put it best when he said that we should finish the quagmires we currently have on our plate before we order more.

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that wasn't a jab at bama in particular, but the UN in general. gadhafi is going to win this fight, i'm sure of it.

You were clear on that when you said "you should thank obama and the rest of the world", which the latter half was skipped over probably due to some selective reading -- again. Anyways, it looks like Obama might be pushing for a No-Fly Zone after all. It took a month of doing nothing, but the push has been made... but is it going to make a big difference? Def. Sec. Gates said a No-Fly Zone won't stop Helicopters... which against protests, are going to be just as lethal.

The UN is just a forum. If Libya is anyone's problem, it's the EU since they're right next door and they're the ones who fucked up the country in the first place. But of course they expect us to do the dirty work then play backseat driver and whine about how evil we are. Same thing in Kosovo; the EU said they wouldn't allow another Holocaust, then they did absolutely nothing about the massacres in Yugoslavia, then the US came in and put a stop to it.

Then the EU griped about human rights violations and played this silly little self-righteous charade of putting Milosevic on trial, showcasing their polite respect for the law and how peaceful and civil they are, never mind they were willing to totally ignore what he was doing but the US was not. It was disgusting. Libya will be no different.

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I doubt it. He's at a dead end. He has no support, everyone is against him. What, he's going to knock off the entire country?

This will probably end the way most of these kinds of stand-offs between despots and nations with whom they no longer have any support does: eventually even his inner circle will fall away when they see he no longer has the means to reward their loyalty and they will sell him out.

He will go out the same way Ceausescu or Kerensky or Wilhelm II or Nicholas II or the Shah or Mussolini did, probably more like Mussolini or Ceausescu than Kerensky or Wilhelm.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.