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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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Aestu wrote:
I didn't go looking for this thread, honestly I was bored and nostalgic and reading through some old threads. I saw this and thought it was ironic with today's news.

"Another Crazy Aestu Prediction"


Predict something that doesn't already involve the planned collapse of every nation on this planet.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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It's the "how", not the "whether".


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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Aestu wrote:
It's the "how", not the "whether".


You seek "how".

I see "why".


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Aestu wrote:
"Another Crazy Aestu Prediction"


I don't think that postulating an inevitable restructuring of Israel is that crazy of a prediction.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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I specifically pointed out that sheer economics would be the impetus. Not the Iranians, or mortar attacks, or American pressure, or the Israeli electorate.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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Mah crazy prediction: At some point the world is going to end huehuehuehuheuheuheuhe.

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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:56 am  
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let me try:

women's sports will never be popular.

there, did i do it?


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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Aestu wrote:
I specifically pointed out that sheer economics would be the impetus. Not the Iranians, or mortar attacks, or American pressure, or the Israeli electorate.


Yeah, but it's still not that crazy. Think about the way Israel is run. The average Israeli (if there is such a thing) is a quasi-European person used to a socialist government, nice beaches, pretty girls, and a high-but-accessible cost of living. The two nonstandard groups that have far too much power are the Russian Jews who are almost uniformly ultraconservative (despite not benefiting from their own policies), warmongering wannabe bullies, probably due to the centuries of getting shit on by various non-Jews while in Russia; and the Orthodox, by which I mean whatever name is appropriate for the superreligious Jews who have fifteen kids, don't work because instead they study the Torah, need lots and lots of armed guards in the form of scared 18-year-olds doing their military service for the settlements most Israelis don't want to support, and are a monstrous drain on the economy because the state provides them with everything.

It makes sense that the normal ones would be pissed. They have to do military service to protect the idiot outliers who won't stop fucking and won't stop settling disputed lands, they have to pay taxes and get jobs and pay rent. The religious nuts settle everywhere, need constant protection because they won't stop stepping on Arab toes, don't have jobs, don't pay rent (because they're land-snatching), and are given free money by the government.

The disconnect is evident. The deal is ludicrously one-sided, and the normal ones are finally pissed enough to riot.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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Those guys you're referring to are called the Hasidim. Orthodox are a stone's throw to the left (most of them are pretty bad but they're not Jewish Taliban) and are a distinctly different sect - just saying, it would be very bad to get them confused because Orthodox does in fact refer to a specific and distinct sect from Hasidim.

The other problem - one that is 100% overlooked outside Israel - is that when we hear "random Israeli family slaughtered by Palestinians armed with machetes/mortars/etc", it's NOT a "random Israeli family", it's invariably one of these crazy Jewish Taliban living on stolen land, in harm's way, and frankly they and their children deserved to be slaughtered. What do you think is gonna happen when you steal someone's land? What do you think is gonna happen when you put your children in harm's way by making the choice to raise them in such a place and not in Tel Aviv?

But that's the thing...when people hear about those sorts of incidents, they don't bother to check the map to see where this actually took place or read between the lines. They just assume the people getting hacked to death are European-type Tel Aviv people just like you and me.

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The disconnect is evident. The deal is ludicrously one-sided, and the normal ones are finally pissed enough to riot.


Are they? I'm not sure. Are they blaming Netanyahu for dragging them into war without end, or are they blaming him for corruption and being the Israeli economy's Obama? I honestly think most Israelis are still in a state of denial about how sustainable this arrangement is and how it is playing into their economic poverty.


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 Post subject: Re: Aestu's Fireside Discussion: Jewish Edition
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Also, if there was peace in Israel, nothing could be worse for the world at large:

Day 1: Israel and the Palestinians declare a just peace and everyone goes home.

Day 2: Every despotic government between Morocco and India is overthrown and replaced with highly efficient governments that hate America.

Day 12: Mossad and Israeli Army extremists, disgruntled at their sudden irrelevance, are indicted for corruption, embezzlement, extortion, and involvement with the Mafia. Constitutional crisis ensues.

Day 35: After cleaning up the mess, Israel, struggling with its still-weak economy and increasing lack of national identity, applies for EU membership. Israel instantly achieves "That Guy" status in the EU family.

Day 41: Western European heads of state, wary of Israel joining the EU, get caught on tape making ambiguously anti-Semitic remarks. Diplomatic incident ensues.

Day 55: Israel, Turkey, Egypt and Jordan all join the EU. Everyone lives unhappily ever after.

Day 67: Turkish trial lawyers, engorged with legal fees after a spate of workplace discrimination lawsuits, are caught on tape having an orgy with Moldovan-Israeli women.


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