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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:01 pm  
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Obama has a point about releasing the photos:

The people who believe Osama is dead, are going to believe he is dead. The people who don't believe Osama is dead, or are shouting conspiracy theories will still be shouting even if the photos are released. They will say they are doctored, or w/e, and nothing really will be accomplished. There is a potential that it could just piss off terrorists even more.

From a logical standpoint, there is no "positive" outcome from releasing the photos. So why do it?


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:14 pm  
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To convince the middle ground who just wants tangible proof.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:15 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
To convince the middle ground who just wants tangible proof.


You're going to have to prove such a thing exists.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:16 pm  
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Oh, I'm sorry, is this coming from the "history major" that thinks it was Republicans that filibustered the civil right act? Better start boarding up the windows on that glass house, bro.

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Yeah, completely posted the wrong thing on that one, was in a hurry and wasn't thinking (all the worse because I remember posting quite a lot on the thread where we showed that all those Democrat spots became Republican spots because the Democratic leadership were the ones fighting for equality while the south just wanted to keep hatin dem nigras).


Spots? As in seats, or as in people? Relatively few of those responsible for the filibuster became Republicans. In fact, Robert Byrd remained in the senate as a democrat until he died and was hailed as some great pinnacle of humanity, his actions during the 60s glossed over as past folly despite his occasional lapses wherein he openly used racial slurs or waxed nostalgic about the KKK. Hell, we even elected one of Senator Fulbright's proteges to the presidency...again as a democrat.

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No, Jubber sees this as republicans versus democrats. He sees it as "liberals were ok with AG during Bush, but now that it's Obama they see things differently". He's not making an issue of what Obama should do, he just wants to cry about how people who have no say over the release see the issue. He didn't understand what happened with the AG photos, and nothing in his original post had anything to do with what you posted.


No, I see this very simply as what was good for the goose being good for the gander. The same people that went into orgasmic spasms about being able to paint our country/Bush as barbaric regardless of the consequences abroad by publishing photos that were embarrassing to the nation don't get to come back a few years later and tut-tut the idea of releasing these pictures because they might "incite violence." The idea that one set of pictures that is (or could be) damaging to the national reputation and/or "incite violence" is fine for publication but that another similar set should be hidden from view is hypocrisy, obviously motivated by political partisanship, and worthy of derision. It is patently political, I don't have to make it that way.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:18 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Obama has a point about releasing the photos:

The people who believe Osama is dead, are going to believe he is dead. The people who don't believe Osama is dead, or are shouting conspiracy theories will still be shouting even if the photos are released. They will say they are doctored, or w/e, and nothing really will be accomplished. There is a potential that it could just piss off terrorists even more.

From a logical standpoint, there is no "positive" outcome from releasing the photos. So why do it?


Obama also said we didn't need to see the long-form birth certificate, but...

"Most transparent administration in history." Just sayin'.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:25 pm  
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No, I see this very simply as what was good for the goose being good for the gander. The same people that went into orgasmic spasms about being able to paint our country/Bush as barbaric regardless of the consequences abroad by publishing photos that were embarrassing to the nation don't get to come back a few years later and tut-tut the idea of releasing these pictures because they might "incite violence." The idea that one set of pictures that is (or could be) damaging to the national reputation and/or "incite violence" is fine for publication but that another similar set should be hidden from view is hypocrisy, obviously motivated by political partisanship, and worthy of derision. It is patently political, I don't have to make it that way.


No, your view of it is political. No one had a choice about AG. It didn't matter what the administration at the time thought of the pictures, it was out of their hands. As I said, your issue isn't with the photos or the administration's decision, but what you assume liberals think. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone defending AG. That said, there is a difference between death photos of Osama, and photos showing abuse of prisoners at AG. They are different situations and cannot be compared directly. Try making arguments about the issues instead of just attacking liberals, you're rapidly becoming what's wrong with America.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:37 pm  
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The consequences are the same. Wasn't there another jihad declared due to AG? and the death of OBL?


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:38 pm  
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Dvergar wrote:
No, your view of it is political. No one had a choice about AG. It didn't matter what the administration at the time thought of the pictures, it was out of their hands. As I said, your issue isn't with the photos or the administration's decision, but what you assume liberals think. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone defending AG. That said, there is a difference between death photos of Osama, and photos showing abuse of prisoners at AG. They are different situations and cannot be compared directly. Try making arguments about the issues instead of just attacking liberals, you're rapidly becoming what's wrong with America.


"What [I] assume liberals think" is based on their actions, which aren't consistent. They aren't consistent because of politics. As I said, this is political, but I'm not the one who made it that way. If you want to attempt to gloss over and endorse that sort of hypocrisy, that's your cross to bear, but trying to deflect the criticism by saying the person making it is just politically attacking people is cheap and laughable.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:46 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
"What [I] assume liberals think" is based on their actions, which aren't consistent. They aren't consistent because of politics. As I said, this is political, but I'm not the one who made it that way. If you want to attempt to gloss over and endorse that sort of hypocrisy, that's your cross to bear, but trying to deflect the criticism by saying the person making it is just politically attacking people is cheap and laughable.


The issue is "Why the administration should or shouldn't release the picture". Your issue is "Why Jubber hates liberals".


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:01 pm  
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The issue is "Why the administration should or shouldn't release the picture". Your issue is "Why Jubber hates liberals".


If that is the issue, what is the compelling reason to not release those photos? You cannot tell me that the reputation of the U. S. or stirring up Al Qaeda are compelling reasons, given that those with whom the administration is aligned didn't find those reasons compelling in the past, most notably in the Abu-Graib situation. That is why I address this as the hypocrisy that it is. If it weren't an open act of hypocrisy, you'd point out why it isn't instead of attacking the messenger.

I don't "hate" liberals, they're just misguided, and in general are only guilty of picking the wrong ways to get to the right things.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:13 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
given that those with whom the administration is aligned didn't find those reasons compelling in the past, most notably in the Abu-Graib situation.


This administration has already blocked the release of the rest of the AG photos (those that weren't leaked) for the same reasons they aren't going to release the Osama photos, and they did that two years before Osama's death.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:26 pm  
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I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that they'd be the ones dealing with the political fallout.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:31 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that they'd be the ones dealing with the political fallout.


I'll get you an icepack, you must have pulled something reaching that hard.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:59 pm  
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I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that they'd be the ones dealing with the political fallout.


I'll get you an icepack, you must have pulled something reaching that hard.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01751.html

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:09 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
Dvergar wrote:
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I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that they'd be the ones dealing with the political fallout.


I'll get you an icepack, you must have pulled something reaching that hard.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01751.html

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That article doesn't suggest there would be political fallout from releasing the photos.


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