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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:28 pm  
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The fact of the matter is AG and OBL photos CANNOT be compared directly. Only simple-minded republicans would think so, probably because they just both happen to be pictures? Idk what goes on in their heads.

AG: Leaked photos, about prisoner abuse bordering on human rights violations (or actually committing them, not sure what the ruling was and don't feel like looking it up). Positive for leak is that the human scum responsible for the abuse were brought to justice. Yes, I mean those troops. I hope they rot in prison forever since they are just as bad as any terrorist.

OBL: Photos of a dead terrorist that will do nothing positive if released. The operative word here is POSITIVE. If there are NO positives and even ONE possible negative, then the vote should be no.

There you go, plain and simple terms that even the most retarded people can understand. I can absolutely support the leaking of AG photos while supporting the withholding of OBL death photos.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
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The Hindenberg explosion and Auschwitz ended in the same consequences: Germans died and then got burned to a crisp.

Hence, the hindenberg and auschwitz are pretty much the same circumstances.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:43 pm  
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The candidate that ran, in part, on our execution of the war and the manner in which we were treating the enemy and promised the most transparent administration in history suddenly changes course only after a court orders the release of the photos (which was what many in his party wanted...while Bush was in office)?

No, there was nothing political about that at all, I'm sure.

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The fact of the matter is AG and OBL photos CANNOT be compared directly. Only simple-minded republicans would think so, probably because they just both happen to be pictures? Idk what goes on in their heads.

AG: Leaked photos, about prisoner abuse bordering on human rights violations (or actually committing them, not sure what the ruling was and don't feel like looking it up). Positive for leak is that the human scum responsible for the abuse were brought to justice. Yes, I mean those troops. I hope they rot in prison forever since they are just as bad as any terrorist.

OBL: Photos of a dead terrorist that will do nothing positive if released. The operative word here is POSITIVE. If there are NO positives and even ONE possible negative, then the vote should be no.

There you go, plain and simple terms that even the most retarded people can understand. I can absolutely support the leaking of AG photos while supporting the withholding of OBL death photos.


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The Hindenberg explosion and Auschwitz ended in the same consequences: Germans died and then got burned to a crisp.

Hence, the hindenberg and auschwitz are pretty much the same circumstances.


And what if the OBL pics show that our guy's shot him in the back of the head (which I find doubtful), or something equally heinous? All this talk about being an open and honest society goes out the window because it's inconvenient, or we're not deriving "positives" from it, is that it?

The fact is, the President himself draws the correlation through his choice of words:

"In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in danger."--on the Abu-Graib photos and his "change of heart" about releasing them.

""It is important to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool."--on the OBL photos.

He has chosen not to release the OBL photos for essentially the same reason he eventually chose not to release the Abu-Graib photos: It would stir up the crazies. Now if you want to argue that the President, because he (eventually) made the right decision on Abu-Graib and is extending the same thinking to this situation, is blameless, I'll agree with that to an extent. However, there are more than a few people out there on the left nodding seriously and muttering about how we need to keep these photos under wraps that were only more than happy to see those Abu-Graib photos leaked (and who leaked them...there's a question no one ever got around to asking, maybe if Valerie Plame had been in them it would have mattered?).

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:55 pm  
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The candidate that ran, in part, on our execution of the war and the manner in which we were treating the enemy and promised the most transparent administration in history suddenly changes course only after a court orders the release of the photos (which was what many in his party wanted...while Bush was in office)?

No, there was nothing political about that at all, I'm sure.


You said he didn't release the photos because of the political fallout. What you are now suggesting is that the political fallout came from refusing to release them. How much did you smoke before you started posting?


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:05 pm  
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The candidate that ran, in part, on our execution of the war and the manner in which we were treating the enemy and promised the most transparent administration in history suddenly changes course only after a court orders the release of the photos (which was what many in his party wanted...while Bush was in office)?

No, there was nothing political about that at all, I'm sure.


You said he didn't release the photos because of the political fallout. What you are now suggesting is that the political fallout came from refusing to release them. How much did you smoke before you started posting?


Considering that the country is about evenly split politically, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't...are you suggesting otherwise? If so, how much did you smoke before you started responding?

Seriously, though, not releasing the Abu-Graib photos was more politically advantageous/less risky , because Obama was secure with his base (who would be the disappointed party) and it took away an opportunity for opponents to criticize him. It was a political decision more than a serious policy decision.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:17 pm  
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Seriously, though, not releasing the Abu-Graib photos was more politically advantageous/less risky , because Obama was secure with his base (who would be the disappointed party) and it took away an opportunity for opponents to criticize him. It was a political decision more than a serious policy decision.


This really makes me question your grasp of politics.

He had nothing to gain politically by withholding the pictures. His base would be upset, and would be fine if he released them. His opponents would not criticize him for releasing the photos, there were already similar photos out there, and this happened under the last administration. By not releasing them he is going back on a campaign promise of greater government disclosure, which is a pretty big opportunity for criticism. There was nothing to be gained politically by this move.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:40 pm  
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opponents would not criticize him


c'mon.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:41 pm  
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Out there=/=Released, there's a big difference.

Obama doesn't have to keep his base happy. They're stuck with him now. What democrat is going to run in a primary against the First Black President? Keeping the other side of the aisle quiet was/is more important. The only people that would criticize him for operating against his base would be members of his base, and he'd get cover from others in the party and supporters in the media for the decision. In fact, no less a source than the New York Times ran an opinion piece backing the decision:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/opini ... vitch.html

I'm sure I could find more, were I so inclined, but the NYT makes it so easy.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:58 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
What democrat is going to run in a primary against the First Black President?



Wat.


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:05 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Jubbergun wrote:
What democrat is going to run in a primary against the First Black President?



Wat.


Basically, he can really do some off-the-wall shit, and not have to worry about his position in the party, because his base is left with the choice of him, a republican, or not voting. No one in the party is going to run against him to try to get the nomination for 2012.

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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:09 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
Obama doesn't have to keep his base happy.


Your base still has to get out and vote, and this was 2009, nothing good comes from pissing off the base during a mid-term election.

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The only people that would criticize him for operating against his base would be members of his base


Right, but this wasn't just acting counter to democrat platforms, this was going back on a specific campaign promise. That's a much bigger deal and a political vulnerability during an election.

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In fact, no less a source than the New York Times ran an opinion piece backing the decision:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/opini ... vitch.html


So because someone writes an opinion piece you see a conspiracy now? You don't think you could find both pro and con opinion pieces for pretty much every decision a president makes? After all:

Jubbergun wrote:
Considering that the country is about evenly split politically, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:53 pm  
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this thread, boy howdy.







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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:27 pm  
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Cool Calamari 46 wrote:
FIRST THEY GET RID OF THE SENATE NOW THIS, DON'T YOU SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US? THIS IS ALL A SET UP, A BIG PLOT....A CONSPIRACY ...YOU COULD SAY IT IS SOME KIND OF....SUBTERFUGE OR SNARE.. DAMMIT WHAT IS THE WORD I'M THINKING OF?


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:12 pm  
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Zaryi wrote:


quite.

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an order to kill bin laden was executed 66 years after hitler's death.

may the fourth be with you.


Execute Order 66.


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Zaryi wrote:
Cool Calamari 46 wrote:
FIRST THEY GET RID OF THE SENATE NOW THIS, DON'T YOU SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO US? THIS IS ALL A SET UP, A BIG PLOT....A CONSPIRACY ...YOU COULD SAY IT IS SOME KIND OF....SUBTERFUGE OR SNARE.. DAMMIT WHAT IS THE WORD I'M THINKING OF?


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 Post subject: Re: @Bin Laden
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:00 am  
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Jubber, you are still comparing apples and oranges. You cannot do this if you want your argument to maintain its integrity (what little it had to begin with, anyway).

EDIT: To clarify...

Apples and oranges are both fruit, therefore they are the same.
AG photos and OBL death photos are both photos, therefore they are the same.

Everyone should see the problem here.


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