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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:25 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
there are drugs that should be illegal because they actually do ruin people's lives.

you can't be arguing that all drugs should be legal.


So we make drugs illegal so people don't ruin their lives, but we throw up blockades to plan B, forbid teaching safe sex in schools, and legislate way access to abortion? Awful hypocritical that a person can't choose to suffer the consequences if they want to use a drug, but should be forced to if they have sex.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:36 pm  
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I wasn't arguing for plan b


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:12 pm  
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How is this proposal "forcing" good behavior? No one is "forced" to take Plan B.

The good behavior is that it's forcing a dialogue between parent and child, which I think someone stated as a good reason to have such a law. So forcing good behavior (the dialogue) on top of good behavior (not having a child you won't be able to take care of.)

The only other reason I can infer that they want this law is that pro-life parents don't want their children killing children.

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So far as the compulsion of law goes - who's to draw the line, or say that truancy and sex abuse are bad but letting people die when they might be saved is not?

The voters in each state.

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When I say "progress", I mean improvements in our standard of living, physical safety, education and egalitarianism. Could you call any such progress "bad"?

I can call it bad when the price is liberty. Which brings us to our fundamental difference.




We're kinda getting off topic now. Not that it's new, but I've been trying to cut back on derailing.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:35 pm  
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Just to clear it up for anyone that isn't sure how the pill works, I want to point out that Plan B is not an abortion pill, it's an emergency contraceptive.

It prevents an egg from being released/delays ovulation.

If pregnancy has already occurred it does not terminate the pregnancy, and will not cause harm to the developing fetus.

It can actually reduce the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies if used as directed. Good news all around!


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:48 am  
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Weena wrote:
The good behavior is that it's forcing a dialogue between parent and child, which I think someone stated as a good reason to have such a law. So forcing good behavior (the dialogue) on top of good behavior (not having a child you won't be able to take care of.)

...The voters in each state...


So in other words, you're in favor of government compulsion when the "good" reflects your personal beliefs.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:40 am  
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Isn't everybody? I remember when Bill Maher used to call himself a libertarian, but what he really meant was "all the goofy shit I want to do should be legal, but all the goofy shit I don't like shouldn't be." Everyone is Bill Maher in that regard, at least in their off-the-cuff reactions.

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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:41 am  
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Aestu wrote:
Weena wrote:
The good behavior is that it's forcing a dialogue between parent and child, which I think someone stated as a good reason to have such a law. So forcing good behavior (the dialogue) on top of good behavior (not having a child you won't be able to take care of.)

...The voters in each state...


So in other words, you're in favor of government compulsion when the "good" reflects your personal beliefs.


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What?

I said in that quote that dialogue between parents and their children is a good thing, and that the voters in each state, usually, decide on their compulsory laws.

I didn't say I'd vote to force dialogues between parents and children. Drinking orange juice is good too, but I wouldn't make it compulsory.

In another post, I already conceded that there's cases to be made for some compulsory laws.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:13 pm  
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Should be legal. Sebelius blocked it to get the votes of some undecideds.

Am disappoint.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:16 pm  
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Weena, if you expect parents to have dialogue with their kids, you're expecting 1) that they're good parents and 2) they know what the fuck they're talking about.

Unfortunately, this is rarely the case with the parents I know.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:44 am  
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Somewhat relevant?

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... aland.html

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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:59 am  
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Xeoni wrote:
Somewhat relevant?


Best argument for abortion I can think of.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:16 pm  
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Oooooo edgy!

You're so edgy.


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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:46 pm  
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So I guess Jesus has avoided abortion twice now.



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 Post subject: Re: Plan B Pill
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:50 pm  
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