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Knowing the heartbreak that will come eventually, do you think it's worth having a pet?
Yes. 85%  85%  [ 17 ]
No. 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:42 pm  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
Animals are for eating.


I agree, and this is part of why I think pets are stupid.

Also, Dalmatians, contrary to the insidious and evil Disney portrayal, are stupid genetic rejects, like Persian cats.


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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:49 pm  
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We're all animals.

When it comes to pets I consider dogs to be one of the best choices followed by some cats. Mostly just dogs though.


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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:17 pm  
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Aestu you hardly get along with any humans. animals are no surprise.


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 Post subject: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:28 pm  
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Eturnal your story made me smile. Very few things in life serve one purpose, and one purpose only.

I don't even really believe in arbitrary concepts such as purpose and destiny. You need to find the meaning yourself. Animals are no exception. One use for them is eating, another is companionship.


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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:20 am  
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Battletard wrote:
One use for them is eating, another is companionship.


Is it really companionship if it's simply a form of arbitrary self-indulgence?

(this is also why I'm a cat person)


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 Post subject: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:25 am  
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Aestu wrote:
Battletard wrote:
One use for them is eating, another is companionship.


Is it really companionship if it's simply a form of arbitrary self-indulgence?

(this is also why I'm a cat person)


That's how you see it, which is unfortunate.


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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:53 am  
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I like pets best when they're owned by others.


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 Post subject: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:31 am  
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I'm on my phone on my lunch break and I'm not very well suited to respond to all your points and questions. My break is actually over right now at 2:30, I'll try to get back to this thread after work either once I wake up in the afternoon or before I sleep, depending how tired I am.


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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:46 am  
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If self-indulgence was the only result from the relationship/interaction you could make that point. If both parties enjoy the relationship it doesn't really matter what the individual reasons for being in it are. If you wanted to give it a more 'honest' (I can't think of the right word) label you could call it symbiotic over self-indulgence. One of the members is getting emotional needs fulfilled while the other is getting physical needs fulfilled.

Either way it doesn't seem wrong to me(not saying you're implying it's wrong); additionally if the relationship was symbiotic opposed to 'true companionship' it would likely imply the person is meeting their emotional needs via the pet and would be reluctant or unwilling to name it or even recognize it as such.

This would be based on the animal being indifferent to the person. If the animal liked the person it would as close to companionship as you could have with an animal, regardless of reasons for the relationship.

So you could have companionship with a dog, but I doubt you could have it with a fish. I guess there would be a harder to define third category I'd call familiarity. Fish are likely virtually oblivious to your existence, while say a bird might respond to you better than a stranger but still not give a fuck about you.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:13 am  
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Well, we got 2 good pages out of this. GJ


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:26 am  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
I like pets best when they're owned by others.


This is my same feeling towards children.


"Ok we aren't such things and birds are pretty advanced. They fly and shit from anywhere they want. While we sit on our automatic toilets, they're shitting on people and my car while a cool breeze tickles their anus. That's the life."
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:27 am  
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Weena wrote:
Yuratuhl wrote:
I like pets best when they're owned by others.


This is my same feeling towards children.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:58 am  
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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:41 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Eturnal your story made me smile. Very few things in life serve one purpose, and one purpose only.

I don't even really believe in arbitrary concepts such as purpose and destiny. You need to find the meaning yourself. Animals are no exception. One use for them is eating, another is companionship.

This.






and I feel dogs make better companions because they actually seem to care where as cats tend to only look out for themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Pets Passing Away
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:59 pm  
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The first step towards learning to truly love others is learning to love oneself. No one can understand how important life and dignity truly are without first appreciating what they mean to oneself.

Dogs "care" because they are programmed to. No one considers being called a "dog" a compliment. It implies a slavish and shameless mentality.

Cats, contrary to popular perception, do in fact deeply care about their humans. They are merely too proud to admit it directly.

Cats will search for their humans if they are gone for long periods, even if a food supply and the presence of other humans are a given. Cats care deeply about the approval of their humans - they will bring them surprise gifts from time to time (vanquished prey). If the gift is refused (as it usually is) the cat is confused and insulted.

When a cat believes it has done wrong, it will show remorse by hiding under furniture and sticking out its tail; the implication being, the cat is ashamed to show its face but wants to let the human know that it's not attempting to hide. It is not necessary to threaten the cat in order to evoke this behavior - merely express strong displeasure. Cats do not like having their boundaries violated, and they truly understand that humans feel the same way.

Cats see themselves as the equals of humans, and as such they expect to be treated with the same respect. They enjoy the experience of bathing and the feeling of being clean, but they despise the indignity of being plunged into the drink or forcibly cleaned by humans, even if they appreciate the inherent utility.

Because they see themselves as the natural equals of humans, cats believe their relationship with the human is based on mutual respect, and as such, they have a profound need to be enfranchised in human social settings such as eating and communal meetings. Cats are much more possessive and territorial than humans, so they often find human social conventions such as having guests over or the human notion of the extended family very strange and confusing. (Cats believe that the appropriate place to stage a meeting is on the borders of one's territory or in neutral zones, and not in the house, which they see as the deep interior of their territory). That doesn't change the fact that the cat's stake in the matter is its relationship with its human and what the human means to the cat besides food and shelter.

Dogs, by contrast, have no real ego, and will suffer any indignity on the whims of their owners. In that sense, dogs are mere objects. After all, what defines an individual is having an agenda, personal wants and needs and self-perceived rights and expectations.

It is because cats have ego that they are worthwhile companions. As the saying goes, "a friend is another self"...and without a sense of self, that's not much of a friend.

At least in my (very long) book.


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