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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:04 pm  
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I didn't even know Jezebel was directly associated with Gawker. Is it?


http://advertising.gawker.com/jezebel/

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That explains even more why the place is such a trashy disaster.


I hate the Jezebel part even more than the Gawker part just because it perpetuates the sort of idiocy that I believe causes a lot of women to never be happy and live lives of frustrating discontent. They're both terrible sites.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:59 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
I hate the Jezebel part even more than the Gawker part just because it perpetuates the sort of idiocy that I believe causes a lot of women to never be happy and live lives of frustrating discontent. They're both terrible sites.

My ex read jezebel a lot. She told me about how she got pissed off at kids at the school she taught at would wear "I LOVE BOOBS" wristbands. To get one of these, you have to donate to breast cancer research. She told me that it objectified women since it made her feel like a walking pair of breasts.

These are the people that read Jezebel.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:05 pm  
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So I guess the question is, "do they read Jezebel because they're like that, or are they like that because they read Jezebel?"

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EDIT: I tend to think women, like men, are normally well-adjusted, so I prefer to think it's the fault of the sort of assholes who write for Jezebel that they end up with such a warped view of the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:13 pm  
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They're like that before Jezebel. Take a random article from jezebel and give it to a well-adjusted woman and get their reaction from it. I really don't understand why sites like Jezebel are acceptable, because if it was for white people except for women it would be a white supremacist site.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:26 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:54 am  
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The answer is yes and no.

Women like Zaryi are pretty archetypical. They're too insecure to accept themselves as they are (and the louder they insist that they do, the louder the susurrus of doubts inside their own heads) and too insecure to examine who they are and change the parts they don't like in a way that will make them happy.

They are fed a steady stream of unrealistic expectations by the media and similarly influenced peers. Because they are not perfect, these expectations can't be met in any rational way. And the daily frustration they meet must be explained away: social bias in favor of men, objectification of women, religion, men are terrible people, whatever. And because women define reality socially in a way men do not, they can't just disregard what seems to them the deafening roar of their peers.

This is where they become Jezebel readers.

High on this tripe, they dart from failed relationship to failed relationship, through "cynically idealistic" political activism and exploitative employment, chasing that rainbow. When they find some success, they quickly tear it apart, searching for the mother lode: turning successful businesses and institutions into piles of shit by forcing out all the men who make them successful (I have seen this happen firsthand many times), breaking up relationships by constantly raising the stakes, playing silly power games like trying to begin and end every conversation, always trying to bully for the sake of bullying, until any man with common sense throws up his hands and walks away. The men who don't are just emo - they play the court jester, the macho man, and the crybaby on cue. They're tools, and unsurprisingly, can't provide fulfilling long-term relationships, let alone marriage.

When this approach invites further drama, disaster, and general unhappiness, they crawl back to Jezebel and their delusions are reinforced by their "support group". Women's "support groups" abound on the internet. Radical feminists are a lot less scary than what most women these days actually believe - not radical but just plain crazy.

Going back to Zaryi as a case example. She very obviously plays stupid power games then denies she's doing it. She attends SlutWalks yet thinks it's outrageous that women are photographed in public wearing the clothes they choose to put on. She gets queasy about her flatmates hearing her sex but then makes a show for people she sees as below her on the social pyramid. She cries about women not being taken seriously or facing discrimination yet benefits from pro-female bias and refuses to engage men on equivocal terms. She talks about herself as strong and independent while manifesting irrational, unthinking loyalty to one base of power or another.

All of which inevitably leads to the "freeze your eggs" lifestyle. And when that lifestyle proves wanting, well, there's always Jezebel to explain it away.

The alternative would be to examine life in a reasonable way and make balanced choices: no, you don't always get your way; yes, men may find you less than perfectly attractive, you may have to work at it a bit; your successes may not always be yours and your failures may not always be others (nor vice versa); you can't approach friendships etc as a tug-of-war, etc.

If libertarianism is a philosophy of ignorance then "cynically idealistic" feminism is an ideology of whims.

What feminists like to call "cynical idealism" and what right-wingers like to call "libertarianism" are both the same thing and are part of a wider social monsoon in this country. Business, education, society, you name it. The pushing of outrageous claims that can't possibly be met in reality. When the cards begin to be called, the claims grow more outrageous. Diminishing returns sets in. Those who offer reasonable solutions are drowned out.

Before long, what you have, is what we have now, which is a society as a mass of rackets.
Jezebel is merely one such racket.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:10 pm  
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I really don't get feminism. I mean I understand what it is, but I don't get it. I guess because what would truly make me happy would be to be a housewife and mother for the rest of my life. That's not really cohesive with feminist ideals, from what I've gathered.

Also, I hate girls too much to be a very good feminist. Pretty much everything a friend of mine posts is feminazi shit, and I /facepalm at all of it. Trying to "gain equality" really comes off as trying to be seen as the superior sex, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:30 pm  
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Feminism is the free market in action.

The key to understanding feminism, Kay, is to ask yourself what these women would do without it.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:33 am  
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Feminism exists to give undesirable women in particular access to men and control of relationships to women in general. It's the last part that makes it a recipe for disaster.

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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:47 am  
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My feminist friend shaved her head and changed her name to Syd to be more gender neutral. She said it was because "people assume things (femininity) when they hear my name". She also prefers people using they/them when talking about her.

I'm completely serious.

I just don't get it. I mean I can understand if you truly identify as one or the other gender. But I've known this girl over half my life and not once has anything remotely like this come up, not even anything close.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:57 am  
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It honestly sounds to me like your friend is having a psychotic episode. Confusion of person/number with reference to the self and self-mutilation (including shaving one's head) are often signs of schizophrenia.

Either that, or she's just someone with no identity who's doing this crap because she thinks it's cool. A uprising number of women (including Zaryi) have gotten into this whole dykecut thing.

What is actually going on is these women can't be pretty, so they decide to be ugly. They fail at being women, so they try to pretend they're men. They can't deal with their sexuality, so they pretend it doesn't exist. I blame the free market and the media for pitting people against each other and feeding unreal expectations in the service of consumerism.

Anyway, whether it's psychosis or just cult-like indoctrination, or one resulting from the other, I obviously don't know this person. Your options to understand or help her are obviously limited, so the best you can probably do is sit and wait for her to find out that her behavior is a dead end and inevitably try something else.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:03 am  
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Stop bringing up Zaryi and other posters to make your points. It's not classy or cool.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:06 am  
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Battletard wrote:
Stop bringing up Zaryi and other posters to make your points. It's not classy or cool.


Do you think it's more fair or civil to make reference to people we don't know and can't say we understand half as well?

Conversely, if it's clear someone is making a bad decision, isn't it in their best interest to try to get them back on track?


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:14 am  
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Let's not do this. It's gonna go to 'React is stupid and bad for these reasons' until someone else steps in, and then it's gonna become 'so-and-so is stupid and bad for these reasons' and so on, until the thread gets locked.


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 Post subject: Re: Internet Drama
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:55 am  
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The point of this thread wasn't Zaryi-bashing, but judging from her FB, which was the impetus for the first post of this thread, she does get caught up in this "woman good/men bad" thing to the point that she misses glaringly obvious things like the fact that the people she was cheering do the very things that she thought the guy being outed should be punished for and the hypocrisy of writing a piece about how terrible doxxing is only to turn around and dox someone.

So while she was definitely making an error in judgment in this case, I don't think we need to make it grounds for a litany of "Zaryi is terrible," because she generally isn't.

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