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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:11 pm  
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Yes, yes, I like. Go on.

Because this sounds like

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Aestu wrote:
The putative "overwhelming majority" doesn't spend their lives fighting epic wars or curing cancer or vanquishing evil everywhere. All the examples you gave were professional and not personal, which is what this is about...people as people.

Clearly I shouldn't have opened my mouth. My bad.


Now you're listening. See? :)

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Tehra wrote:
Are you saying there's a difference between considering and saying? ;)


Case in point.

To articulate one's attitude takes more courage and self-awareness than most possess. But then again many of us here don't refuse to say as much.

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So you're assuming all those are professional experiences? Anyways, a persons professional experience - something that makes up about 1/4 of a working adults week - doesn't help shape who they are and they can't craft a story from it? I remember you telling us how you worked at a pawn shop, you were friends with some jew-hating Nazi and that you spent some time in jail... yet, none of that is interesting and it's certainly not part of who you are (even though, if I remember correctly, you were telling us stories so we could understand why you are the way you are)...?

To stand apart from the crowd and look at everyone else as they're nothing because you read about people as people in some history book, rather than truly mingling and getting to know people... just doesn't... make much sense?


This too is case in point.

What you are saying is enormously shallow and materialistic. Your argument is that the degree to which one is interesting is their net worth, or how much they materially get done in life - to make useful products, to cure cancer, to fight wars...etc...as if soldiers, seamstress, and technical people are particularly interesting individuals.

You can spend your entire life blowing things up or hunched over a machine and never challenge your beliefs or really think, think about what you've seen. Certainly that's the case with most people. You could talk to hundreds of thousands of people in the armed forces who are living, breathing stereotypes and no experience in their careers has changed or could change them from who they were when they joined up. You could talk to countless medical or educational professionals, or people in any field, who couldn't face life if they had real insights into the nature or consequences of their work. Most people could spend a hundred years doing whatever it is they do and not ever be changed by the experience any more than they were in the first year they did it.

On the other hand, many people's entire world is shattered in an instant by an experience. Sometimes it's a chance meeting, you see "how the other half lives", or you develop a conviction that this is just or this is wrong. Or sometimes someone's world gets a whole lot bigger in just a moment, learning about something out there.

I would definitely say I found it worthwhile and enjoyable to meet and talk to people who were really individual and lived lives and had experiences off the beaten track.

And as to history, you can't understand anything without context. Being ignorant of where this world came from is no different than any other sort of being sheltered.


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Aestu wrote:
They are small and cowardly and do not understand how narrow their experience is or how their biases influence them, or even that they have them.


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Anyway, I'll exit and let the topic get back on track.


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Aestu wrote:
What you are saying is enormously shallow and materialistic. Your argument is that the degree to which one is interesting is their net worth, or how much they materially get done in life - to make useful products, to cure cancer, to fight wars...etc...as if soldiers, seamstress, and technical people are particularly interesting individuals.
What you're saying is enormously short-sighted and probably more shallow than anything I've said. You're giving more value to your existence and life over others' because you feel they're more stupid than you are - they're mindless people who all walk the same line in their uninteresting lives... yet you truly don't know because you can only make assumptions and generalizations from afar since you distance yourself from personal relationships and social gatherings.

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You can spend your entire life blowing things up or hunched over a machine and never challenge your beliefs or really think, think about what you've seen. Certainly that's the case with most people. You could talk to hundreds of thousands of people in the armed forces who are living, breathing stereotypes and no experience in their careers has changed or could change them from who they were when they joined up. You could talk to countless medical or educational professionals, or people in any field, who couldn't face life if they had real insights into the nature or consequences of their work. Most people could spend a hundred years doing whatever it is they do and not ever be changed by the experience any more than they were in the first year they did it.
Bold statement. So you're better than others' because you reflect on your past jobs as a gopher or pawn broker... or are you better because you truly think you're the only person in the world who has been changed by your professional experiences? Do you really believe most people can do the same job for a hundred years and still be the same person where you held a couple jobs for maybe a couple years and you're steps above the rest?

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On the other hand, many people's entire world is shattered in an instant by an experience. Sometimes it's a chance meeting, you see "how the other half lives", or you develop a conviction that this is just or this is wrong. Or sometimes someone's world gets a whole lot bigger in just a moment, learning about something out there.
And none of this makes a person interesting?

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I would definitely say I found it worthwhile and enjoyable to meet and talk to people who were really individual and lived lives and had experiences off the beaten track.
And I'm sure they loved talking to you since you're such an interesting, off the beaten path type of individual.

Bottom line: On what grounds do you think you're qualified to stand above everyone else and call most people 'human filler'?

Edit: I'm done as long as he's done. :P
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Boredalt wrote:
Ok. Aestu is not interested. You guys attack him over there someplace, if you must.
Sound advice.


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I used to do this when i was at University for shits and giggles. In my first year i was like the only fucking person i knew in any of my classes (i was doing law/arts, and like all my mates did engineering or commerce) and that didn't really change at all right through until i graduated, so i had to amuse myself best i could.

Never went into a random church though. Churches scare the shit out of me for no logical reason. Thought i was gonna spontaneously combust at my Nana's funeral last year.


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Yarl! Where in MD? I'm there too!!

@aestu - don't call people human filler, it's insulting and is never okay even if it were possible for you to be better than anyone else


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Fantastique wrote:
@aestu - don't call people human filler, it's insulting and is never okay even if it were possible for you to be better than anyone else


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Everyone thinks they're better than at least some other people but most don't have the courage to admit it. No one goes through this world and regards and treats everyone they meet as an equal. It's enormously dishonest and immoral to go through life and self-righteously refuse to see and challenge one's own prejudices. Only a fool would argue that no one is ever any better than anyone else, and what's more, in many cases it's logical to believe one is better or worse off. Don't blame me because I'm more honest with myself than most people.


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Aestu wrote:
Don't blame me because I'm more honest with myself than most people.


I don't think anyone particularly minds that you're honest with yourself; they mind that you're honest with them.


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Boredalt wrote:
Ok. Aestu is not interested. You guys attack him over there someplace, if you must.

Exactly the words I was thinking as I was reading this post
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Aestu wrote:
Everyone thinks they're better than at least some other people but most don't have the courage to admit it. No one goes through this world and regards and treats everyone they meet as an equal. It's enormously dishonest and immoral to go through life and self-righteously refuse to see and challenge one's own prejudices. Only a fool would argue that no one is ever any better than anyone else, and what's more, in many cases it's logical to believe one is better or worse off. Don't blame me because I'm more honest with myself than most people.


I have one thing to say.......

WHO CARES? You being better than me or anyone else doesn't matter. Good for you go live on in your oh so awesome life. I will go back home to my beautiful wife and handsome son in the house I just bought and go to work every day and enjoy life. Hmmmm to me that sounds pretty interesting.

Your problem is you view the world as you see fit. What you deem interesting isn't interesting to others, say you want go see Mount Sinai or Jerusalem because of what they are considered. Me I couldn't care less. Now if you wanted to go scuba diving with tiger sharks that would be fun/interesting.

For someone who considers themselves out of the 'human filler' category, you sure are very good at generalizing a populace rather stupidly. To say the majority of peoples lives are uninteresting is very narrow minded. What you should say is, the majority of peoples lives are UNINTERESTING TO ME.

Experiences come in all shapes and sizes, take a page out of your own book and go out and do the things you haven't done. Then you can see what us 'human filler' do.


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Oh and I would very much be interested Boredalt, sorry to jack the thread. Aestu brings out the worst in me.


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