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Whichever God you ascribe this power to bestow free will, also provides guidance and a conscience. Your freedom to choose poorly makes it easy for him to separate the “wheat from the chaff”, so to speak. Don’t you have the right to choose abortion, the same as you have the choice to shoot someone in the head?



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Is being "All-knowing", that is, knowing all that is, the same as being able to predict a future which does not yet exist? Also, does non-interference or non-predetermination in future events preclude omnipotence? Does the existence of Satan and/or evil mean God is not “All-powerful” if he is allowing these to exist for his higher purposes?




So, aborting the children of the ignorant or promiscuous is okay? And this is different from you accidentally knocking up some chick you slept with...how?





If the idea is that we aren't going to abort children because they are not to blame for the acts of the parents that resulted in their conceptions, is the child of a rapist/incest of less value than the child of people who don't use condoms?

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I'll put it this way.

I don't think that it's right for any child to be aborted, I think it's murder.

However, I realize that most abortions are done for the ignorant and promiscuous. Crime rates have dropped significantly since Roe V Wade because fewer children were growing up unwanted, in broken homes, and then becoming criminals. Studies have shown that adoption centers are overcrowded, and many children just bounce around foster homes their whole lives, which is almost just as bad.

To that end, I'm a practical person, and from a societal standpoint, abortion should be legal. Those ignorant morons are making the decision to abort it...not me. But I think they should still have the ability to make that decision.

However, a few notes about me:

1. I'm not promiscuous - I sleep with girls that I am interested in being with/dating/hopefully some day marrying. To that end, although I use protection, if I were to knock one of those girls up...you can bet your ass I'd want to keep/take care of the child.

2. I'm not ignorant or poor - I am capable of taking care of a child both financially, and emotionally. I'm quite confident I am capable of raising a healthy, successful child (with or without the woman's help). If I wanted it to be aborted, it would simply be because I was selfish and didn't want to raise a child.

TLDR

Abortion is not for me, and I'd never want to let it happen if I was the father because I think it is a selfish thing, and pretty-much murder. However, since I am a rare case, and most of society is ignorant/poor/etc, for the good of society, the CHOICE should remain there...although I'd hope that people would figure out alternatives.


SIDENOTE: One alternative I've thought about to stop the senseless abortions is mass sterilization (yes, I'm serious).

You have to take a test at some point after puberty, and if you fail the test for basic cognitive ability (wouldn't be slanted towards rich educated people...it would be a designed test for basic intelligence, not how many presidents you know or something), you will be sterilized. Obviously this bar would be pretty low...like everyone on this board would pass easily. Someone like Chrystal though....

If you are below a certain economic level (showing that you cannot afford more children), and you already have a certain number of children (2-3), you will be sterilized.

If you are a convicted criminal (capital crimes...murder etc), you will be sterilized.

If you are legally/criminally insane, you will be sterilized.

Boom. It would fix economic issues, and abortion issues all in one fell swoop.

It would ruin the economy in a generation. Population decrease, lessened demand of goods/less of a workforce. Aging pop would outnumber younger more so than it does now. Wouldnt work.

And also

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Agreed. Azelma, you musta bumped yer g'damn head.

No way. Everyone I've ever known would still be able to have children.

The trick would be in the test. If it were designed properly, it could be supremely effective. Keeping only the most ignorant from ever having kids.

Keeping extremely poor people from having 10 kids would not affect the economy negatively at all.

Keeping super dumb people from populating might hurt a little...but only in the minimum-wage sectors, which could also be solved by allowing more immigrants into the country.

In today's society, having a child is now clearly a privilege, not a right. Because children are such a financial burden, and require significant care, thought, and understanding...any moron should not be allowed to populate.

This would certainly make abortions a thing of the past...only needed for extreme cases of rape/incest/save the mothers life.

Obviously this is very 1984 and could only work with an insane dictatorship...but it could totally work and solve the abortion problem. As well as get rid of the dummies.

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Because rich white girls never get abortions ever, right?

Not to mention the upper classes would have less people to peddle their horseshit products on, so sterilization based on economic status would literally never happen.

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Ah you're mis-reading me.

Lower-class people who pass the test CAN have kids. Economics don't factor into the initial sterilization.

HOWEVER, they will be limited to having ONLY the amount of children they can financially support! This will eliminate children in broken homes, going hungry, etc.

This number would most likely be 2-3. So every poor person could have at most 2-3 kids based on their earnings.

Also, there would be absolutely nothing about race that could prevent anyone from having a child. Race wouldn't be a factor at all. Only cognitive ability (and again, it wouldn't be stupid Latin translations or shit that only a rich white/asian kid could know).

So you're proposing we use the government - the same entity that fucks up just about everything it touches - be the governing body which determines the future generations growth and who is capable of procreating.

Gotcha.

Fair enough. Might have to be some sort of third party agency.

I never said it had a practical application...it's like COMMUNISM. Excellent in theory, impossible in practice.

My point is, it would solve all the abortion problems, and make society smarter as a whole.

edit: Fixt coz Quadtard is rite.

A life is a life regardless of rape or incest. As hard as it is to fathom if I was a chick and got raped, from my perspective now I would keep the child. Incest is slightly different only in the cases where it can be dangerous for the carrier or baby due to medical complications.

Mass sterilization would/will never happen in our 'free' society. The bar would be set too low. Also just because a person isn't overtly intelligent, does it mean they can't raise children? What would exceptions be?

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Eff, the funny thing is I was going to type communism, but then I was like...no socialism.

Never second guess yourself is the rule.

Also, found some moar abortion stats:

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

My whole philosiphy on abortion is that you should do what you want to do. if you think its wrong, dont do it. if you dont, go for it, you aint affecting me. i just hate others trying to press their views on others. IMO leave the field open for everyone to make their own choice.

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I totally agree with this philosophy, which is why I'm pro choice. At the same time, I think it's wrong, so I'd never personally want it to happen.

I just wish people didn't have to murder babies at all.