Are Add-Ons Cheating?

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:21 am

Success is not binary, and in a matter of skill, a majority opinion is hardly convincing. Insofar as skill follows the iceberg model, you could make the opposite argument just as easily.

Kayllaira · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:33 pm

cziiki wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Brykon wrote:

If you say you can't play with the blizzard UI because it's bad, take a little bit of time to realize you're bad.

So, do you have eyes capable of focusing on multiple points at once?

Properly modding the UI to overcome its inherent limitations is a form of skill, just like proper itemization.

Any player that plays at a certain level doing something wrong can play better doing it right. That's true of using incorrect gearing, and it's true of modding, too.

Being content not playing as well as one could... I would call that being bad.

I was a more than competant shadow priest for most of BC/Beginning of wrath w/ 0 addons and the default UI, yes looking at the upper right hand corner to monitor procs is a huge pain while avoiding boss aggro and abilities, but hell if you can master the hard way everything is easy in comparison.

I vaguely remember having to flip out at you for dying to absolutely ridiculous shit frequently (like, to the point you were removed from Trib, which rarely happened). Then again, I did this often to many people so there is a good chance I have you confused.

^_^ I have calmed down a lot

cziiki · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:07 pm

Kayllaira wrote:

cziiki wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Brykon wrote:

If you say you can't play with the blizzard UI because it's bad, take a little bit of time to realize you're bad.

So, do you have eyes capable of focusing on multiple points at once?

Properly modding the UI to overcome its inherent limitations is a form of skill, just like proper itemization.

Any player that plays at a certain level doing something wrong can play better doing it right. That's true of using incorrect gearing, and it's true of modding, too.

Being content not playing as well as one could... I would call that being bad.

I was a more than competant shadow priest for most of BC/Beginning of wrath w/ 0 addons and the default UI, yes looking at the upper right hand corner to monitor procs is a huge pain while avoiding boss aggro and abilities, but hell if you can master the hard way everything is easy in comparison.

I vaguely remember having to flip out at you for dying to absolutely ridiculous shit frequently (like, to the point you were removed from Trib, which rarely happened). Then again, I did this often to many people so there is a good chance I have you confused.

^_^ I have calmed down a lot

Nah i think it was Ned, Merv and Bonez that did most of the yelling at me, mostly to start paying attention to you and Ever about how to heal...then again few people realized in the guild that i just started playing holy at Wotlk's launch

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:11 pm

Bonez? Bonezre (whatever), the UD warrior? Teenage kid with ditzy and terrible girlfriend?

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:43 pm

Bonezre. Now there's someone everyone can agree to hate.

Mods are probably helpful for certain classes. I play primarily a warrior, which requires no such help. I agree that playing post-Cata ret with default UI is annoying, but I'm not going to mod it anyway.

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:59 pm

Yuratuhl wrote:

Bonezre. Now there's someone everyone can agree to hate.

cziiki wrote:

did most of the yelling

UNPOSSIBLE

Henq · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:07 pm

Yuratuhl wrote:

Bonezre. Now there's someone everyone can agree to hate.

Mods are probably helpful for certain classes. I play primarily a warrior, which requires no such help. I agree that playing post-Cata ret with default UI is annoying, but I'm not going to mod it anyway.

Had no problem with him actually. We used to chat on and off about gear.

You and a few other hs can go sans addons just fine. Muerte talked yarl into finally using forte. I convinced fltwd to try out dbm. I believe I talked snuss into omen.
Some people are baller without addons

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Fantastique · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:25 pm

Man I miss Ned.

Seribus · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:53 pm

i use Ct raid assist and Cosmos ui

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:58 pm

For me it was Skip who introduced me to ForteXorcist, and yes it does help a great deal. Yet all it does it display the same information more elegantly - it doesn't play the game for you at all, you still have to act on the input.

I was watching Snuss's feed the other day. As he played, he occasionally tabbed out and adjusted the volume or track on iTunes. I found this very curious, because, to me, it was common sense to control iTunes via the media keys and volume wheel on the keyboard, So I asked him about it. He didn't seem to get the point, which really surprised me. To me, it was an obvious and common-sense way to do things better. You'd think that Omen would be at least as obvious as a Midas-finger tank.

Snuss, like Tuhl, is a true gamer - someone who has played and will continue to sit down and play many different games very well. They both clearly have good instincts and fast reaction time.

I, on the other hand, have significantly slower reaction time, and my mental rigidity prevents me from being able to adapt as easily to new games, and completely prevents me from playing many other games (such as Mass Effect) at all. However, I possess formidable intelligence and creativity, so I can more easily adapt things for me and see opportunities others cannot. This is obvious to anyone who has ever actually watched me play or seen how my UI is configured: the emphasis is on capitalizing on those strengths.

Ideally, a player would have the best of both worlds: excellent reaction time and ability to adapt, and excellent intelligence and originality. In practice, all players have some balance of those and other strengths.

Snuss is an excellent player to be sure, but he's better off with Omen, and he'd benefit from not tabbing in and out whenever he wants to adjust the volume.

Again - that capacity to use tools effectively is part of overall skill.

cziiki · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:28 pm

SO MANY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE I MISS...i miss ned so much, mostly because of the yelling he would do at heccate, yez bonez was internet boyfriend to...Brei the rogue who was also Triplekiss, also ilu sexybus and i miss skip's excellent roleplaying as a girl...which still confuses me to date.

Mns · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:35 pm

cziiki wrote:

SO MANY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE I MISS

Quote:

Boners

Mns wrote:

I hope there isn't any confusion as to why I don't like you.

PS: Boners wiping the naxx raid because he couldn't tell the difference from a doorway and a gate was A++

cziiki · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:08 pm

Mns wrote:

cziiki wrote:

SO MANY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE I MISS

Quote:

Boners

Mns wrote:

I hope there isn't any confusion as to why I don't like you.

PS: Boners wiping the naxx raid because he couldn't tell the difference from a doorway and a gate was A++

better or worse than the time he almost got kicked out of Trib for ninja looting Gruul's loot to his cousin?

Kayllaira · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:11 pm

cziiki wrote:

Kayllaira wrote:

cziiki wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Brykon wrote:

If you say you can't play with the blizzard UI because it's bad, take a little bit of time to realize you're bad.

So, do you have eyes capable of focusing on multiple points at once?

Properly modding the UI to overcome its inherent limitations is a form of skill, just like proper itemization.

Any player that plays at a certain level doing something wrong can play better doing it right. That's true of using incorrect gearing, and it's true of modding, too.

Being content not playing as well as one could... I would call that being bad.

I was a more than competant shadow priest for most of BC/Beginning of wrath w/ 0 addons and the default UI, yes looking at the upper right hand corner to monitor procs is a huge pain while avoiding boss aggro and abilities, but hell if you can master the hard way everything is easy in comparison.

I vaguely remember having to flip out at you for dying to absolutely ridiculous shit frequently (like, to the point you were removed from Trib, which rarely happened). Then again, I did this often to many people so there is a good chance I have you confused.

^_^ I have calmed down a lot

Nah i think it was Ned, Merv and Bonez that did most of the yelling at me, mostly to start paying attention to you and Ever about how to heal...then again few people realized in the guild that i just started playing holy at Wotlk's launch

probably! I can't remember who or when I used to rage at. I was a total dick when I was with my ex because he stressed me out, then when Jeff and I got together I calmed the f down. That being said, out of the people you named I definitely miss Mer the least. ugh. what a mess. Trib did have some truly legitimately nice people, though. It was the like.. 5 biggest douchebags in the guild who also happened to be the most active outside of it and brought everyone else down.

Aestu · **Posted:** Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:30 pm

Skip was a master.

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