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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:55 pm  
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Everyone understands "racism" to mean "bigotry and prejudice" though. By the definition you're using, Zaryi, it's impossible for any minority to be racist, because by their very nature they're not in the status quo.

I don't buy it. There's racist minorities. They just tend to be racist against other minorities.


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:28 pm  
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Zaryi wrote:
Racism CANNOT exist in a Black-on-white setting in a White-principled based society like ours. It might be bigotry or prejudice, but it sure as hell ain't racism.


Having grown up poor in a city that has had trouble with race for decades I can tell you absolutely that all manner of color on color racism exists, to deny that minorities are incapable of racism is foolishly close-minded. Not to mention the very article you linked included many definitions, all but the one you quoted refute your statement.

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There are many definitions of racism. The ambiguity has driven even the experts to exasperation. George Fredrickson cites Loïc Wacquant, "a prominent sociologist of race" as advocating, "forsaking once and for all the inflammatory and exceedingly ductile category of 'racism' save as a descriptive term referring to empirically analyzable doctrines about beliefs about 'race'."[16] The most commonly used definition is the most widely understood, if not the narrowest. The simple, ordinary understanding of the word "racism" is: prejudice against other races and the actions caused by this prejudice, combined with the belief in the superiority of one race over others. Other definitions, more commonly used in academia, focus on the sociological structure of advantage and disadvantage, and define racism backwards as anything that perpetuates this advantage when people not of European descent are affected negatively. Several definitions of racism allow for the possibility of unconscious racism. In this line of thinking, whenever the results disadvantage one group, the intentions of the perpetrators are irrelevant. Both personal and structural racism are recognized in legal theory.



Defining racism without making any reference to the existence of race provides a challenge to both language and logic. Expanding and diluting the term in an attempt to harness its potency to remedy a host of social ills appears to be behind much of the efforts to expand the definition. One result is that any mention of the word race at all, in any context, can be taken as evidence of "racism" by some definitions. This represents a departure from many earlier, narrower, definitions.


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:29 pm  
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Zaryi wrote:
Racism CANNOT exist in a Black-on-white setting in a White-principled based society like ours. It might be bigotry or prejudice, but it sure as hell ain't racism.


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"I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face."

Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.

"My wife pulled me back in because she didn't want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn't see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage."


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Dedmon pummeled Anderson repeatedly as he crumpled to the street, according to officials, though this is not visible in the videotape. Finally, after the beating some of the teens left and some got into the green truck.
At this moment on the video, Anderson becomes visible, as he staggered into view and walked towards the headlights of the truck. The truck suddenly surges ahead, running over Anderson, then continuing at high speed away from the scene.
Shortly after he allegedly drove the truck over Anderson, Dedmon allegedly boasted and laughed about the killing, according to testimony given by some of the teens to detectives.


This cracka thinks you should go back to soapboxing rape jokes, since right now you're comically trying to debate the semantics of which color piece of trash is less of a piece of trash.


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:36 pm  
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I was under the impression racism was simply dislike or hate for someone or some peoples based solely on their race or ethnicity.


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:43 pm  
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Weena wrote:
I was under the impression racism was simply dislike or hate for someone or some peoples based solely on their race or ethnicity.

It is.

Zaryi's link is just full of retardation.
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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:31 pm  
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Racism is racism regardless of the parties involved.

The ancillary argument that white on black is more substantial than black on white is specious in the realities of today's fractitious society where black people often hold the organizational advantage. I see this happen all the time at universities and government institutions, for example. And there's La Raza and their largely successful efforts to carve out a feedlot for themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:43 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
today's fractitious society


Is that when you take a factitious society and start fracking it to extract large amounts of natural gas?


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:07 pm  
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You can't be racist against a majority as a minority? That is the biggest load of head-in-sand shit I've heard on these forums in a long time.

You can be, its just most of the time we don't give a shit what you think.


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:04 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
its just most of the time we don't give a shit what you think

Redneck mentality at work

edit: to elaborate, that mindset doesn't work in diverse communities


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:10 pm  
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If you're Z and hate Y persons on the basis of X, then you're most likely a bigot.
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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:24 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Usdk wrote:
its just most of the time we don't give a shit what you think

Redneck mentality at work

edit: to elaborate, that mindset doesn't work in diverse communities


Oh hi, i like to enter into a conversation about how bigotry is bad by calling a white guy a redneck.

and where i'm from is actually quite diverse. the only thing we're really lacking is a fleet of beautiful asian women, much to my chagrin.


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:36 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:49 pm  
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why is America so racist?


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:55 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Oh hi, i like to enter into a conversation about how bigotry is bad by calling a white guy a redneck.


I didn't "just enter" and I don't say that because you're white, I say that because you refer to white people as "we" and think that you can just ignore the attitudes of different groups in society and think that's going to get you anywhere.

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why is America so racist?


Three reasons:

1. Legacy of slavery
2. America is culturally and geographically isolated from the rest of the world
3. White majority + deep-seated (and largely untruthful) philosophy of self-sufficiency creates ridiculous racial hubris


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 Post subject: Re: London Violence
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:07 pm  
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Yeah what you said and the term redneck have nothing to do with each other.

you might as well have called me a nigger, for all the relevance it has.


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