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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:10 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of people who think like me so I don't have a bunch of real-world examples...


Ah, but this isn't true. Cato and a bunch of Victorian conservatives would agree with you, almost word for word.

Your argument boils down to "I don't know anything about prior ideas, but I'm assuming mine are new, so you should take my word for it."

Why should we? And why should you believe your ideas are so novel when you have no knowledge of what else is out there? Should we believe it's a coincidence the least informed people are also those most in favor of libertarianism?

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Because of that, the recipients don't respect what they (and their neighbors) have because they didn't have to work for it.


Couldn't I make the same claim about you? In fact, I believe I did, actually. A major cause in this social issue is simply that those who have what they do are - willfully - ignorant of why.

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Because the community has little respect for itself and what each other owns, crime goes up... after all, "what's yours is mine."


Classical Jewish texts are seen by many as not stressing the homosexual aspect of the attitude of the inhabitants of Sodom as much as their cruelty and lack of hospitality to the "stranger." ...A rabbinic tradition...postulates that the sin of Sodom was related to property: Sodomites believed that "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours" ...which is interpreted as a lack of compassion.


Suffice to say, no functional society has ever operated on the principle of individual insularity. All societies ARE societies precisely because it is understood that people have obligations towards each other beyond the purely contractual.

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On the other hand, as you point out, places where employment is higher is believed to be generally safer as there is less crime and theft. Why? Because I think these people, who aren't subsidized by the government, have a higher respect for themselves, their property, their neighbors property and their community. Why? Because they worked for it.


It's never that simple. They didn't wash up on Plymouth Rock and build middle class white America.

No one who comes from a difficult background would refuse to trade places with someone living a comfortable middle class existence. And those who are seldom suffered such hardship to get there.

"Worked for it". What, exactly, does that mean?


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:12 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
"Worked for it". What, exactly, does that mean?

A telling question. It's sad that you don't know.
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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:13 pm  
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Can you answer the question or can't you?


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:30 pm  
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christ this is pedantic.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
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Usdk wrote:
christ this is pedantic.


Pedantic would be telling not asking.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:37 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Actually buying and preparing food yourself is much cheaper than fast food if you don't go overboard and buy food you don't end up eating and take advantage of sales.


Many lower-income residential areas are food deserts. There's one poorly-stocked grocery store that's got nothing on the shelves and pills behind the counter, a health-food store built close to the train station that's too expensive for the people who actually live in the city, about four fast foods and a Dunkin' Donuts (pick your poison), a hot dog cart, and a halal truck. There are no supermarkets. None. I don't fucking know why, but they don't exist.

The best option on the table if you're poor is halal, because it's cheaper and healthier than McDonalds, but the guy running it can only have so much ground lamb in his truck on any given day so he sure as hell can't feed everyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:41 pm  
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That's weird.

<---not big on big cities.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:55 pm  
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The nice bits of big cities tend to not have this problem. Where I've noticed it is in Newark, which isn't exactly "big" (400,000 people) but is certainly lower-income and urban.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting Down Stereotypes
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:36 pm  
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Well its probably just not profitable to have supermarkets in those areas.


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