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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:29 pm  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:06 pm  
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I am aware of the differences in formulation. Doesn't change the fact the markup is outrageous for an extremely marginal benefit.


This shows different birth controls and different symptoms that can be controlled with different formulations. I also wouldn't consider not being a complete and utter psycho a marginal benefit to a different pill. I have proven to be *very* sensitive to certain formulations of birth control and I would love not to take any at all, but dysmenorrhea leaves me bedridden for 3-4 days a month if I don't take them. I just can't afford to lose that sort of time.

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An excellent comparison would be diabetes. Insulin is expensive and has a short shelf-life, but it saves lives and allows these people to live a reasonably normal life. There are also a variety of other palliative medications of varying expense. It's to be expected that diabetics should get access to the insulin they need to treat their chronic condition but not the best, most expensive top-of-the-line palliatives on the market.

Or asthma - same thing. There are steroid inhalers that are necessary to control the condition, then there are premium palliatives. Humidifiers and breathers can cost anywhere from $50 to a few thousand. Again, it's expected that general coverage provide what they need to get by, but certainly not the most premium options on the market.


Insulin is fairly cheap, actually. It's testing strips that need to be used anywhere from 2-6 times a day that are expensive.

What "palliative" medications are you referencing? As far as I knew, if it assists a person in breathing or NOT going into a coma from ketoacidosis, it's a treatment and isn't simply palliative.

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I don't know why I should be paying extra for my premiums to cover the added expense of 'free' contraception for women when I'm not receiving 'free' condoms/vasectomies


Then you haven't been to PP or the health department.

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For the record, as someone who's read about a half-hundred patent cases, I really really love generic companies. It actually kind of surprises me that people still buy brands once the patent is expired and generics are churning them out at 5-10% of the price.


For me, it's getting a pill whose additive formulation doesn't make my skin itch to the point where I am bruised and bleeding on my arms and legs. That said, I stick with name brand Synthroid.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:10 pm  
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I'm pretty happy I was born male.


Also, I was going to link an image of gout from Google, but in truth none of the ones I saw was nearly as bad as the case my father had. His elbow expanded to the size of a baseball then literally exploded, leaking pus and uric acid.

It occurred to me reading what Jubber wrote that the symptoms of gout and ovarian cysts are actually very similar - golf-ball sized calcifications in the interior of the body. Both diseases affect only one gender. Both require surgery to correct in advanced cases.

Gout, however, is not a red-button political issue, despite the fact that gout meds are much, much more dangerous and expensive.

Isn't that a bit of a hypocrisy?

I would also say based on personal experience that gout is probably the more vicious disease, but of course that's my subjective view based on my own experience with only one disease.

And of course there's nothing quite like having extremely severe gout, extremely severe migraines, and near-total blindness. All at the same time. Use your imagination.

I give that man credit for some things at least.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:22 pm  
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Kayllaira wrote:
I also wouldn't consider not being a complete and utter psycho a marginal benefit to a different pill. For me, it's getting a pill whose additive formulation doesn't make my skin itch to the point where I am bruised and bleeding on my arms and legs. That said, I stick with name brand Synthroid.


The question remains though: why are we extending this benefit uniquely to women who suffer from a peculiar condition?

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Insulin is fairly cheap, actually. It's testing strips that need to be used anywhere from 2-6 times a day that are expensive.

What "palliative" medications are you referencing? As far as I knew, if it assists a person in breathing or NOT going into a coma from ketoacidosis, it's a treatment and isn't simply palliative.


I honestly can't say I know by name, but I do recall having heard of them when I lived with several asthmatics. It was many years ago.

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Then you haven't been to PP or the health department.


I have. PP is sexist against men and they say so in their brochures.

When I wanted testing they sullenly gave me a quote in the three digits. If I were a woman it would have been free, and when I went to a private clinic they gave me a better price. I eventually got it done at a public clinic (that also tested and performed a physical) for free.

They lavish sums on items ranging from the paranoid (metal detectors and bomb sniffers) to the exorbitant (massive facilities on main avenues, there's one half a mile away on some of the most expensive commercial real estate in Boston, when they could do what every other clinic I've seen does which is situate their place on an office park or the interior of a block) consisting of mostly unused space) to the purely political (publicity, PR, sponsorship and meddling, and hordes of sinecures who do literally nothing but exist only for political reasons).

They do not even perform their role better than for-profit firms.

There is no reason we should give these bigots one red cent of public funds.
I mean, why should we? Is there a reason?


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:39 pm  
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Gout gets no play time because "men's rights" is political suicide. or at least it has been. maybe there's changes coming.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:54 pm  
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The question remains though: why are we extending this benefit uniquely to women who suffer from a peculiar condition?


Why do we extend benefits to anyone with a peculiar condition? If a medication is known to treat an illness, it should be available to be taken.

I really don't agree with her claims that contraception should be free under Georgetown's student insurance plans. It is a religious institution - if they don't believe in contraception and you go there, quit bitching about it and go someplace else since clearly your views are not in line with theirs. Or better yet, just get insurance someplace else.

I do agree that the insurance should cover the cost of legitimate medical issues being treated with hormones, which is all contraceptives are.

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I honestly can't say I know by name, but I do recall having heard of them when I lived with several asthmatics. It was many years ago.


I haven't heard of any. I've heard of numerous different types of medication for asthma, but all of them help keep the person breathing as far as I know.

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I have. PP is explicitly sexist against men and they say so in their brochures.

When I wanted testing they sullenly gave me a quote in the three digits. If I were a woman it would have been free, and when I went to a private clinic they would have given me a better price.


Fair enough, though I wish our PP was like that lol. It was in such a scary part of town (before it closed) that I got there and immediately left.

You could try some different organizations for testing/condoms/etc. A quick search in your area came up with the site for the AIDS Action Committee for free condoms and this site for free/low income health clinics that do tests.

And gout is definitely a vicious disease - I had a patient that couldn't even tolerate the bed sheets on his feet because they were so inflamed. Gout doesn't have anything to do with sex, women, or babies and that is why it isn't all over politics. That and insurance companies generally cover medications for gout, and religious institutions don't seem to have ethical considerations for colchicine ;P


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:03 am  
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Gout doesn't have anything to do with sex, women, or babies and that is why it isn't all over politics.


No more than breast cancer or ovarian cysts.

Those conditions are situated in the sex organs, but they aren't any more inherently sexual or baby-related than gout. Gout will definitely destroy a man's sex life and capacity to perform his paternal role. The only reason that my father was able to at least marginally function as a father - going to work each day - was that, and I give him credit for this, he possesses utterly superhuman willpower.

Also consider that men are susceptible to a whole host of X-linked disorders that women are almost completely immune to.

I'm just saying, there's an inherent bias to view women's issues as sexual issues and men's issues as asexual.

I think the truth is that women - and feminists in particular - are in deep denial about the extent to which they view themselves as sex objects.

PS; I'm not arguing with you Kay, just pointing out something that is generally overlooked.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:14 am  
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Most feminists are such only when it is convenient and when they have an agenda. I agree that women are treated unfairly in certain situations, but if you want equality then you have to accept fair treatment in all situations. That said, I much prefer asking men to come help me lift 400lb patients than another woman.

The situation with ovarian cysts is considered sexual because of the nature of the treatment - female hormones, which also function as contraception. If another treatment were available/affordable, the issue wouldn't have come up either.

Kudos to your dad for being functional with such a debilitating illness. My mother has Crohn's/rheumatoid arthritis and I don't know how she manages to get through a day, much less work. She's not even supposed to work, truth be told, but $500 a month just isn't enough to live on.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:18 am  
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Fuck Colchacine, that pill is fucking huge. My mom takes it for her gout.

Gout fucking sucks.


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I worked through a broken metacarpal and the fucking thing healed wrong. The bone in my right hand is crooked now.

Herniated disc? Np.

High ankle sprain? Np.


My father pulled me aside during the broken metacarpal thing and told me how much he respected me for it.

Growing up I was always a lazy little shit who did the bare minimum and had to go back and do my chores multiple times until they were acceptable.

I look back and cringe honestly.

I really believe this job has done wonders for my work ethic. I have to support my kids as well, but it's amazing what the human body (more so mind) can do when presented with no alternatives.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:15 am  
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I think your intent is to make a veiled allegory to my present situation - if so, it is a fatally flawed one for many reasons, and also a classless gesture. Regardless, and not to say "my dad is more badass than you", you're talking about problems of incomparably different orders of magnitude.

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I really believe this job has done wonders for my work ethic. I have to support my kids as well, but it's amazing what the human body (more so mind) can do when presented with no alternatives.


But you see, that's the thing. He does have alternatives. He definitely is beyond qualified for disability. And he works for the fucking government. He could just not show up, or at least take it easy. He doesn't. He's a veritable dynamo of energy at his job.

You are correct in a sense though. In his mind, there are no alternatives, because that's just how he's programmed. In his mind, there is an absolute duality between "full speed ahead" and "give up". And he like me easily confuses ends with means and enjoys working at intrinsically unrewarding professional tasks to the exclusion of human affairs.

He would show up even if he didn't get paid.


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I had a really long tldr typed up on my phone from my lunch break but it got lost somehow and I didn't realize it never sent.

I'll just say not everyone is out to get you, you're not as fucking important to us as you think.

Maybe I was just sharing a 'cool story bro' without even thinking about your situation, which I really don't know enough about to legitimately criticize you for.

Are you really that insecure?

Edit: I hadn't even quoted you, my story was more of a continuation of what Kay had said.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
I'm pretty happy I was born male.

For the record, as someone who's read about a half-hundred patent cases, I really really love generic companies. It actually kind of surprises me that people still buy brands once the patent is expired and generics are churning them out at 5-10% of the price.


I buy Nyquil instead of off-brand stuff. What are you gonna do about it?


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I buy Nyquil instead of off-brand stuff. What are you gonna do about it?


Nothing because I really don't care what you buy. I just approve of generics.


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Battletard wrote:
Maybe I was just sharing a 'cool story bro' without even thinking about your situation, which I really don't know enough about to legitimately criticize you for.


I made a point of leaving that possibility open.

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I'll just say not everyone is out to get you, you're not as fucking important to us as you think.


Say what you will.


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