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Joklem
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Mns wrote:
Care arguing the past couple posts I've directed at you or are you going to split hairs with this hypothetical and since you caught me with my pants down, count this as a win?

What was directed at me? I must've missed it.
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I think we're all mature enough and smart enough to realize that when Obama gives his 'go to the mattresses' speech or Palin puts neon cross-hairs on congressional districts she's targeting for a win that they are not speaking literally.No one was sending signals that this should be done or should be considered acceptable behavior.

Yeah, but some people aren't, and that's the problem.


And the answer is what? Burn the First Amendment and say that disagreements in political discourse are the same as yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre? We don't toss our principles out the window because some people are fucking stupid, we correct their stupidity as best we can and move on...we don't compound their stupidity with stupidity of our own.

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Jubbergun wrote:
And the answer is what? Burn the First Amendment and say that disagreements in political discourse are the same as yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre?

No, we just stop associating presidencies we don't like with facist regimes and we don't send death threats to our senators.

I don't think that's asking for much and I'm sure that it doesn't hamper the constitution in any way.

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Where was the call for civility during the previous administration?
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Not to mention the point that if my side of the aisle does it, it doesn't make yours any less wrong, it just makes everyone wrong.

That's what I'm saying. It's the entire point of the article I pasted here. It's why the writer of said article didn't point to the offending website/group from the other side of the aisle. The point is that everyone is in the wrong for even having this conversation about who is at fault. There's one person at fault, and he's insane.

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There really isn't a metaphor for putting crosshairs on political districts. If this was indeed caused by some sort of bonkers left-wing website, you'd sure as shit get the same call for people to clam the hell down.

Allow me to ask you the same question: What would people on your side of the aisle if someone killed Bush for justice over war crimes or something and there was a site that was as controversial as the one that Palin put up, calling for the death of Bush?


What do you mean "what if?" That happened. There was a "documentary" that was basically a "Kill Bush" fanatasy ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/ ) and even a book ( http://www.amazon.com/Checkpoint-ebook/ ... 464&sr=8-5 ) along the same lines. You can probably find some people in the media who said writing a book/making a movie about killing a sitting president was inappropriate, but I don't remember the Bush administration doing anything other than ignoring it.

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However, if he was crazy enough to take everything that people like Beck spew out as literal fact and as events that are occurring right now, he could see himself as protecting the country he loves against facism.

That would be a great argument if there were even a shred of evidence that the man was an adherent to Beck's sideshow antics. There isn't any, just as there isn't any evidence he was a Palin sycophant. It seems to have been automatically assumed by some, straight out of the gate, that 1) this can only have happened because of something someone said, and 2) that someone had to be a Glen Beck or Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh. The only reason that argument is being made without any evidence linking the man's view to those figures is that this is only about "the rhetoric" so far as it makes it possible to shut down the other guy's rhetoric while continuing with your own invectives.

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Mns wrote:
Jubbergun wrote:
And the answer is what? Burn the First Amendment and say that disagreements in political discourse are the same as yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre?

No, we just stop associating presidencies we don't like with facist regimes and we don't send death threats to our senators.

Do I need to dig out (LOL NICE GOOGLE) eight years worth of pictures of the last guy on posters wearing a swastika with a funny mustache pasted over his mug? Or just LOLGOOGLE "attack on republican office vandalism"...and there's no threat of violence against conservatives? No, they don't even get the courtesy of a warning.

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I don't think that's asking for much and I'm sure that it doesn't hamper the constitution in any way.

Saying that a citizen of this country shouldn't or can't make the argument that their president is...well, whatever they want to say their president is...is hampering the the Constitution. The very suggestion that it isn't is disappointing.

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It seems to have been automatically assumed by some, straight out of the gate, that 1) this can only have happened because of something someone said, and 2) that someone had to be a Glen Beck or Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh. The only reason that argument is being made without any evidence linking the man's view to those figures is that this is only about "the rhetoric" so far as it makes it possible to shut down the other guy's rhetoric while continuing with your own invectives.


To the credit of Fox News, they tried asking the Democratic Sheriff why he was trying to politicize this tragedy without having any factual information to say the shooter was motivated from some TV and Radio stuffs. (3:20ish)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvc_7Fb5T5M[/youtube]

And then Keith Lolberman says this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_L6PRUQMxk[/youtube]

Really? No proof that the kid was even influenced by any of these individuals but Olberman and the Left are saying the Media was more or less the catalyst of this...


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Men use knives to defend themselves.

"Ok we aren't such things and birds are pretty advanced. They fly and shit from anywhere they want. While we sit on our automatic toilets, they're shitting on people and my car while a cool breeze tickles their anus. That's the life."
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I really hope "vitriolic" isnt the new buzz word.

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Usdk wrote:
I really hope "vitriolic" isnt the new buzz word.


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Also -

This isn't the first time someone (may have, might not have) taken metaphors (that were clearly metaphors to 99.999% of the population) and taken them far too seriously.

And this isn't the first time people have taken metaphors and tried to fuck everybody and anybody that associated themselves in anyway to said metaphors.

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as usual, the media is taking this shit in the wrong direction.

a good example is : http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/a-trail-of-heated-political-rh.html


Yes, people get heated in politics, but investigators and people who knew the kid who shot that woman are already saying he'd had a grudge against her for years. The rhetoric(read: Free Speech) is not to blame.

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Ignored the majority of the gun debate thereby skipping the majority of this thread (eg, everything but usd's first post + mayo's response), so here goessssssssssssss

The guy was delusional/crazy/etc, but I agree that politics have gotten all too vitriolic over the past couple years; which probably helped feed his delusions and paranoia (seriously, read some of the stuff this guy's written/posted/etc - you can't possibly claim some of the absurd statements the far right has some out with haven't influenced this poor guy). Yes, the far left is just as guilty of this as the far right is; but you aren't, honestly, seeing anti-government millitas spring up all over the country at an alarming rate spewing liberal/far left rhetoric.

Honestly, I'm not surprised by what happened, it disappoints and depresses me greatly that it did on one hand, but on the other... I'm almost surprised it didn't happen earlier. I can't help but think, the first seeds of the second American civil war were sown Saturday.

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