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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:27 am  
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Aids would be a terrible weapon. Absolutely no control over where it goes, up to 10 years to kill, no way to stop it.

And why would it be released in Africa? Until the end of WWII Europe owned Africa anyway. Even if it was some plot to take over the natural resources (which are/were owned by Europeans and could easily be controlled again) who is going to work the land if you wipe out all the cheap labor? The US had no reason, the Allies had no reason, the only country that had even the slimmest chance of creating something like this was Germany, and Africa would have been a shitty place to unleash AIDS. Infact it would be a shitty place for anyone to unleash a weapon, it took 20 years just to start killing people who weren't bushmen.

I know we've all been conditioned to see these kinds of conspiracies, but this is just ludicrous. You say the natural transmission theories have too many holes, but you don't know dick about pathology of have done any substantial non-wikipedia research, and yet you try to shoot down the claims of people who have done this their whole lives.


Not trying to shoot down their claims, they are the most widely accepted, researched claims. I just cannot eliminate the possibility that AIDS was man-made.

Also, you're forgetting one other possible motivation:

Population control.

What was Viet-Nam if not population control? Think of the people who join the military (poor, minorities generally). Think of how only men have to sign up for the military draft. Think of what AIDS is - a disease that is transmitted sexually. So the very essence of reproduction can afflict you with a deadly disease.



I know it's a ridiculous crackpot theory, I'm just saying...I wouldn't put it past a government. Now I'm going to go make some baked beans and wait in my bomb shelter for the end of days.


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 Post subject: Re: hrm...
PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:43 am  
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so you think we went and fucked up an entire country side and two nations to get rid of some poor people back home.

ok.


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Azelma wrote:
Not trying to shoot down their claims, they are the most widely accepted, researched claims. I just cannot eliminate the possibility that AIDS was man-made.

Also, you're forgetting one other possible motivation:

Population control.


Population control...by releasing it in an area of the world characterized by extremely sparse human settlements, with no control over it's eventual destination, that would take decades to work.

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What was Viet-Nam if not population control? Think of the people who join the military (poor, minorities generally). Think of how only men have to sign up for the military draft. Think of what AIDS is - a disease that is transmitted sexually. So the very essence of reproduction can afflict you with a deadly disease.


This is, without a doubt, the dumbest thing I've seen you say on these boards.


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What was Viet-Nam if not population control? Think of the people who join the military (poor, minorities generally). Think of how only men have to sign up for the military draft. Think of what AIDS is - a disease that is transmitted sexually. So the very essence of reproduction can afflict you with a deadly disease.


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This is, without a doubt, the dumbest thing I've seen you say on these boards.


Do I get some sort of award?

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Hey the hippies agree with me!

I think war definitely has population control aspects, they may be incidental, but they are there.


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never has there been a more literal example of the "unwashed masses" than the hippies.


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Yea, HIV/AIDs is terrible population control. Population of the world keeps increasing. The number of people with HIV/AIDs, world-wide, is plateauing.
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Usdk wrote:
never has there been a more literal example of the "unwashed masses" than the hippies.


Yeah, I like many things about hippie culture (free love, weed, music) but I never really got the smelly, not-showering thing.

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Yea, HIV/AIDs is terrible population control. Population of the world keeps increasing. The number of people with HIV/AIDs, world-wide, is plateauing.


Haha true. Here's the thing...what if they were trying to make a population control virus...and AIDS was the unfortunate side effect that they couldn't control, and it wasn't very "good" because of its lack of control??? What if they were testing it on monkeys...and nothing was happening, and they were like "well screw this, these monkeys aren't even getting sick" so then they released all the monkeys into the wild...then everything was passed to humans via the way all the scientists say it happened.



See, I can do this conspiracy thing all day.


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Or, or... what if it wasn't humans that made the HIV virus, but aliens that landed in southern Africa and started doing experiments on the people there -- those sparsely populated areas were ideal since few would see the mothership as it landed. The thing is, the Aliens are MADE OF HIV VIRUSES, so in order for them to live amongst us in peace and harmony they decided they would infect us to build a resistance to their HIV BODINESS. Every once in awhile the aliens come back to see how humanity is progressing and that's why you see so many UFO sightings and stories of abductions!
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Or maybe the world is just a crazy fucking place we have relatively little knowledge about and wacky shit like that just happens.

It's either that, or Cthulu.

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I think we've all learned something here today.


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Yep. I learned that some person isn't willing to dismiss the possibility of HIV being human-manufactured despite there being little or no evidence to suggest that... which is funny, since that same person is the one that vehemently denounce the possibility of a God because there's little or no evidence to suggest he exists.
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Yep. I learned that some person isn't willing to dismiss the possibility of HIV being human-manufactured despite there being little or no evidence to suggest that... which is funny, since that same person is the one that vehemently denounce the possibility of a God because there's little or no evidence to suggest he exists.


You are miss-remembering my thoughts on God. I have said I am agnostic. Meaning I don't know. Meaning, I cannot completely dismiss the idea that there could be a god. In fact, I really hope there is a God.

Don't make contradictions where there are none.

Tehra, please find the relevant thread to prove my point here. ;)


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Wasn't referring to you, cockbag.
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Dvergar wrote:
And why would it be released in Africa? Until the end of WWII Europe owned Africa anyway. Even if it was some plot to take over the natural resources (which are/were owned by Europeans and could easily be controlled again) who is going to work the land if you wipe out all the cheap labor? The US had no reason, the Allies had no reason, the only country that had even the slimmest chance of creating something like this was Germany, and Africa would have been a shitty place to unleash AIDS. Infact it would be a shitty place for anyone to unleash a weapon, it took 20 years just to start killing people who weren't bushmen.


Because some people really don't like blacks and gays and wish they would disappear. The disease initially appeared in the Western world in many gay clubs and not the general population. It was originally called "GRID" not "AIDS".

It is a fact that contemporaneous with the times in question (50s-90s) many illegal experiments and covert activities were undertaken to oppress, harm and eradicate unpopular populations so to claim that such activities are without motive or means is flatly untrue.

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I know we've all been conditioned to see these kinds of conspiracies, but this is just ludicrous. You say the natural transmission theories have too many holes, but you don't know dick about pathology of have done any substantial non-wikipedia research, and yet you try to shoot down the claims of people who have done this their whole lives.


You don't know any more about pathology than anyone else and theories advanced by the "experts" about phenomena with too many unknowns to make a hard-and-fast judgements have been proven wrong before.

You say that people are "conditioned to see conspiracies" but you are flatly wrong, the opposite is true: people today are conditioned to take things at face value even when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If this was not so, advertising would be a dry well and not a highly profitable and successful industry, and people wouldn't red-herring otherwise valid lines of inquiry as "conspiracy theory".

As the central tenet of your reasoning here is contrary to eminently apparent fact, it is sensible that you should question the rationality of your analytical processes. Perhaps you are making other incorrect assumptions?


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 Post subject: Re: hrm...
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Wasn't referring to you, cockbag.


Oh shit. lol - sorry I feel like I've been defending myself a lot on these boards today so I'm in defensive mode haha


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