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If we did, that would take you out of most threads that don't involve eating.

@newt. WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE MOON ANY TIME SOON?
http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-space-plan-promises-moon-literally-lunar-2020-003603224.html

Holy shit, that's actually the only interesting idea I've heard from one of the republican candidates. Not even being sarcastic. I'm fascinated by space.

However, I think we have other problems to deal with first.

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Candidates of both parties have always promised to go back to the Moon and Mars in every election since Carter. They do it because making the promise is free, no one is passionately opposed to space exploration, and no one will really care when they don't follow through.

We live in the space age in the sense the ancient Greeks lived in the steam age.
Having the capability to open a door with a steam engine is not comparable to building a transcontinental railroad or a textile mill.
Having the capability to hurl satelites into orbit or send a couple dozen people to the moon and back is not comparable to mapping and colonizing the solar system.

Personally, I believe that space exploration will only begin in earnest when we fundamentally change our approach. We need to focus our efforts on developing a cheaper way of getting things into orbit, and developing an infrastructure to mass-produce space technology on a scale comparable to the industrial network that supports our carriers, ICBMs, computers and the internet.

Even if Newt (or Obama, who did the same thing) was serious, which he's not, sending people back to the Moon wouldn't accomplish anything.

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Nihilism is a copout.

I think the big step to come for space travel and exploration is to build a spacecraft in orbit. In the "short" term it doesn't really matter how much it costs to ferry materiel's up there, we need a ship that isn't built around the idea that it has to push through the atmosphere / live through reentry. I had hoped that the "International Space Station" would be a means to that end, but I don't think that NASA has the money to send anything but toasters anywhere right now nevermind innovate new tech : [

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What do you guys think about the idea of rewarding entrepreneurs and independent companies with some tax-payer funded award as an incentive to spur new ideas and push the exploration and development of new technologies? Newt mentioned this when talking about space travel during one of the thousand or so debates in the last month.

Government spending that helps people? NO! FREE MARKET AND PROFIT!

Government spending that helps companies? NEW CAMPAIGN PLATFORM!

Everything we could ever want will be provided for us cheaply and efficiently by OUR LOVING CORPORATIONS. Why would we need to get government involved? Our founding fathers were pretty clear that massive intercontinental corporations should be the only ones building bases on Mars, and if you don't believe that you don't believe in the constitution.

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Edit: Nevermind - I don't expect you to have an intelligent thought or opinion on anything in this or any other thread.

Obama did this with efficient cars and solar panels and you did nothing but bitch.
Thoughtful opinion? You don't seem to think much at all given how all you consider is the party making the proposal.

And what's an "independent company"? As opposed to a dependent company? But you're saying the govt should give "independent companies" money. So now they're dependent!
Again, "thoughtful". You talk in buzzwords but don't consider the logic or context.

Privately funded space travel is bullshit, you should know this working for the Air Force. The Air Force has, what, a thousand ICBMs on standby and space travel firms can't even get a payload into orbit (which is exactly the same technology with exactly the same capabilities) on a regular basis. NASA put men on the moon almost 50 years ago and privately funded firms can't even get rocks into orbit without screwing it up.

This "space travel entrepreneurial" is hogwash. Argue ideology all you like. The fact is that the only institution that has ever managed to get space travel to work is the federal government.

In direct answer to your query: The hard simple fact is that corps will always look out for number one. History has shown very consistently that corps react infinitely more favorably to the switch than the carrot. Corps will obey the public interest only if laws threaten them with punitive action if they do not do so. Subsidies, or "rewards", as you like to call them, are just welfare for the rich, plain and simple. Corps will take the money and run.

The best approach is simply to ratchet up taxes on gas, gradually phase out private car ownership, and make environmental laws stricter every year. The market will do what it does best which is "innovate" and "develop new ideas" to compensate.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I can't believe Eturnal is serious I just can't must be some elaborate mega-troll bait.

You guys will never know how megatrolling works, apparently.

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The problem with space travel is that it isn't profitable...yet.

If we could get resources from space that could be used for energy or something...or mass colonization...then I'd agree with your "privatize space travel" idea...and it would probably happen naturally anyway as wealthy investors would think "oh shit space rocks can create energy and can be sold....I need to get in on that...here random startup company have some $$$$$$$" or whatever the case may be.

As such, it's all research and exploration, and therefore has to survive on government funding and other donations with no expectation for profits.

Eturnal's question didn't seem trollish to me at all.

So the answers to it amaze me. Get madder at a simple (and actually somewhat relevant) question.

In any case, government rewards are unnecessary. If an idea is good, in that it's something people require or desire, then profit is your (monetary) reward.