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Drominar · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:25 pm

Lucinth wrote:

Aestu wrote:

I disagree with your initial premise.

That the games are similar in nature?

Drominar wrote:

Lucinth wrote:

It's an action-adventure RPG.

Then mario is platformer RPG, racing games are NASCAR RPGs, Tekken is a fighting rpg.

I would say they're not RPGs because there is no method of advancement. Your character is as strong in the beginning as in the end. Power ups are temporary at best.

Drominar wrote:

Zelda is not a RPG. It's action adventure. Zelda is one of the classic examples of action-adventure. You're right to say it isn't a traditional RPG, because it isn't a RPG at all.

Do you think shadow of colossus is a RPG?

I've never played shadow of colossus actually. Any good?

Where do games like Castlevania fall then? Is Symphony of the Night not an RPG as well?

EDIT: Also, I think I've found the reason why games like Zelda and Metroid are not RPGs.
I want to discuss this further so I am withholding said information until I hear a good reason as to why they are not.
It's all really silly too I think, but makes sense if you consider the source of modern RPGs.

Zelda is an action game (that hacking and shooting and bombs) and an adventure game (has a story and characters with personalities). That makes it an action-adventure game. You're telling me to prove it isn't an RPG by what? Listing 50 rpgs and pointing out the differences? I'm not doing that. That's a waste of my time. It's an action-adventure game, case closed.

Meowth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:40 pm

When you nerds want to play a decent RPG let me know. I don't even remember what this thread was about.

Weena · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:46 pm

I wonder how many sales were lost for Witcher 2 from people who played Witcher 1 and went - "like fuck if I'm buying any more Witcher games."

Meowth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:48 pm

Be glad you didn't play when it was released because the controls were still a bit fucked up. I'm pretty sure you can still spam the bomb key and get stuck in that animation forever or end up throwing 3 bombs without being able to move.

Lucinth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:38 pm

Drominar wrote:

Lucinth wrote:

Aestu wrote:

I disagree with your initial premise.

That the games are similar in nature?

Drominar wrote:

Lucinth wrote:

It's an action-adventure RPG.

Then mario is platformer RPG, racing games are NASCAR RPGs, Tekken is a fighting rpg.

I would say they're not RPGs because there is no method of advancement. Your character is as strong in the beginning as in the end. Power ups are temporary at best.

Drominar wrote:

Zelda is not a RPG. It's action adventure. Zelda is one of the classic examples of action-adventure. You're right to say it isn't a traditional RPG, because it isn't a RPG at all.

Do you think shadow of colossus is a RPG?

I've never played shadow of colossus actually. Any good?

Where do games like Castlevania fall then? Is Symphony of the Night not an RPG as well?

EDIT: Also, I think I've found the reason why games like Zelda and Metroid are not RPGs.
I want to discuss this further so I am withholding said information until I hear a good reason as to why they are not.
It's all really silly too I think, but makes sense if you consider the source of modern RPGs.

Zelda is an action game (that hacking and shooting and bombs) and an adventure game (has a story and characters with personalities). That makes it an action-adventure game. You're telling me to prove it isn't an RPG by what? Listing 50 rpgs and pointing out the differences? I'm not doing that. That's a waste of my time. It's an action-adventure game, case closed.

So what you're saying is Diablo isn't an RPG.
Try again.

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Meowth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:03 pm

If you have a game that you only follow a pre-defined path and there is no absolute change along it (and no, that sidequest where you saved Rupert from the ravens on a dusty old mill doesn't count) then it is not an RPG. WoW is not an RPG regardless if it listed as an MMORPG. Something like "CHOOSE THE ORDER OR DISCIPLES" is getting closer in a way but still not RPG.

Having never played a Diablo game besides D3 beta, I'm 99% positive it does not fit the definition of a real RPG no matter how much you want to believe it is or how much Blizzard says so.

Lucinth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:13 pm

Meowth wrote:

If you have a game that you only follow a pre-defined path and there is no absolute change along it (and no, that sidequest where you saved Rupert from the ravens on a dusty old mill doesn't count) then it is not an RPG. WoW is not an RPG regardless if it listed as an MMORPG. Something like "CHOOSE THE ORDER OR DISCIPLES" is getting closer in a way but still not RPG.

Having never played a Diablo game besides D3 beta, I'm 99% positive it does not fit the definition of a real RPG no matter how much you want to believe it is or how much Blizzard says so.

By that definition, can RPGs only exist on tabletops then?
I'm not sure I agree with it, but at least we defined the term somehow.

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Meowth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:37 pm

The only RPG I played from beginning to end is Witcher 2. The main story will change depending on the options you went with and some of the side quests will appear or disappear if you go through them (and find them). Even the entire story splits in half in chapter 2 and there is 16 different endings you can get. The end is not already predefined. When I was watching Weena play he was getting different cutscenes and such and on my second play though I picked different options and got access to new paths and content than my first run.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010- ... -clarified

Kayllaira · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:08 pm

On that note then, I've played Fallout 3/New Vegas and Fable I. And of course D&D.

Also, I'd say Pokemon counts. Because when I play I AM a Pokemon master. role play what uppp.

Battletard · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:09 pm

One thing I think we can all agree on is Halo was the first and best ever MMO made to date.

Meowth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:39 pm

Battletard wrote:

One thing I think we can all agree on is Halo was the first and best ever MMO made to date.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/12/halo- ... -eyed-cas/

Lucinth · **Posted:** Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:05 pm

Pokemon counts I think because there is no real ending.

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Fantastique · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:19 am

Meowth what is that game in that SS you posted? Looks pretty damn awesome

Spacehunter · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:39 am

Ok so based on skimming the latter part of this thread my list of real RPGs to play looks like this so far:
Fallout
Fallout 2
Not the other Fallouts because they're bad apparently
Witcher 2
Witcher 1?

Plz help thx.

Meowth · **Posted:** Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:34 am

Fantastique wrote:

Meowth what is that game in that SS you posted? Looks pretty damn awesome

Witcher 2

True story, just noticed imgur reduces the image quality automatically.

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