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Aestu · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:31 pm

Quittermike wrote:

I think there's a difference too, being all about efficiency I'd ideally want my work/school/random commutes to be by foot or bicycle and get majority of my exercise that way instead of car or public transportation but that's not realistic for me right now so they both have their place.

I used to bike from home to high school and from there to CSU Sacramento and back. Five mile ride each way. Happiest time of my life.

Quittermike wrote:

Exercise has enough benefits to merit doing it on its own though. I do it as a hobby so I'm not an expert but there's the obvious physical and cardiovascular benefits, then you can go and look up a ton of research on the benefits from those suffering from depression and anxiety, disease prevention, stress relief, creative thinking, cognition, etc... If you're exercising outdoors the benefit of the sun, vitamin D.

I know this. It's that the exertion itself seems pointless.

Quittermike wrote:

Maybe it's boring because you just do stuff you don't like

Partly, but I don't mind otherwise menial or obnoxious tasks (organizing objects, sorting files, pushing boxes around, cleaning things, even physically strenuous tasks such as pushing furniture around San Francisco) so long as they seem to have a clear point.

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You should try it out. The endorphins might even make you feel good.

yeah you think all that lifting has no point until all the sudden your shirts don't fit and bitches be 'mirin.

I do not consider happiness or female approval an important goal.

My only goal is to increase my power.

Kayllaira · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:59 pm

Aestu wrote:

I do not consider happiness or female approval an important goal.

My only goal is to increase my power.

Is that enough of an incentive for you? Would setting ultimate goals, like being able to bench press or curl x amount of weight, be enough to give your workouts purpose?

Aestu · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:05 pm

No. Means nothing to me.

Necrachilles · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:12 pm

Disregard females, acquire dance moves.

Battletard · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:53 pm

Aestu wrote:

No. Means nothing to me.

'Become more powerful' is a very vague expression. I think Kay is getting at the fact that setting goals can be used to measure progress.

Kayllaira · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:54 pm

The only thing I can think of that could increase your power but accomplish something is working at a job where there is heavy lifting or other manual labor. Otherwise, I am at a loss.

Aestu · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:11 pm

By "power" I mean leveraging physical fitness as a means of making the world do what I want. Over the years I've gone from being very dismissive of fitness to appreciating its utility.

-More energy to spend on productive pursuits such as writing, commerce and gaming
-Wider range of possible occupations
-The capacity to apply violence as a means of getting what I want
-Present better so as to convince people to take me more seriously so they give me things and opportunities

Like I said, I have no interest in benchpressing X amount or looking better in front of the mirror or to women or feeling happier.
I am only interested in power.

Battletard · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:22 pm

Aestu wrote:

By "power" I mean leveraging physical fitness as a means of making the world do what I want. Over the years I've gone from being very dismissive of fitness to appreciating its utility.

-More energy to spend on productive pursuits such as writing, commerce and gaming
-Wider range of possible occupations
-The capacity to apply violence as a means of getting what I want
-Present better so as to convince people to take me more seriously so they give me things and opportunities

Martial arts would be a great way to learn hand to hand combat, but there's a lot of emphasis on self discipline and 'only using it as a last resort' that may turn you off. As I understand it, you're pretty well off financially..maybe enlist the services of a personal trainer / 1 on 1 martial arts tutor.

Aestu · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:35 pm

Like I said, I'm interested in general physical fitness, not merely learning how to handle myself in a fight.

And no I do not believe in the doctrine of self-defense. I believe that to be moral one must accept that there are non-violent acts that ought to be met with violence because they are wrong, and I believe that non-violent participants in a system mired in violence are legitimate targets of violence and terror.

Over the years I have come to see the doctrine of self-defense as fundamentally immoral.

But that is neither here nor there. Suffice to say I've become interested in fitness for more reasons than mere violence.

Tehra · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:31 pm

this thread has taken a turn for the derp.

Battletard · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:38 pm

I understand. Physical fitness goes hand in hand with martial arts, which was where I was going. I also understand the point you made as far as martial arts and non-violence conflicting with each other.

Cardio is your best option all around, in my opinion. I get the sense that you don't want to pursue a massive frame, but just wish to become more physically fit, with minor emphasis on strength training. You don't need huge well sculpted muscles to be strong, which I'm sure you are aware of.

If I were you, take up jogging for 30 minutes a day, alternating days on/off. Obtain some dumbbells to work out your forearms and maybe a bench press if you have space for one. You'd get a good overall workout for your arms and upper body, and would burn fat / increase your stamina and general fitness via jogging. Low cost, easy to do at your own pace, and private, minus the jogging.

Battletard · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:39 pm

Tehra wrote:

this thread has taken a turn for the derp.

I don't think it has, he made a valid point in opposition to martial arts as a means of becoming fit in my opinion.

Baneleaf · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:13 pm

Battletard wrote:

Baneleaf wrote:

The problem I have with these exercise programs is that my ACL in my left knee is torn almost in two so I cannot do most of the leg exercises. Hell, I freak out my daughters Wii when I try to use it because I put about 20% more weight on my right leg when standing still. Exercise bikes are great for me and once I finish this damn bathroom project its back to the gym for me. My schedule is so odd that it is very hard to get into a routine so I go when I can.

Swimming. Extremely low impact, will make you solid as a rock.

I used to swim all the time, I mean ALL the time. The gym I currently have a membership at has a pool and I have been thinking of doing laps before work. I just have to get up early (early for me since I work nights) and get there.

Spacehunter · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:14 pm

Battletard wrote:

Tehra wrote:

this thread has taken a turn for the derp.

I don't think it has, he made a valid point in opposition to martial arts as a means of becoming fit in my opinion.

Definitely has. The thread was about working out, and people discussing their work outs, and stuff, kinda. Now it is about the theoretical usefulness of working out in the eyes of one man.

MORE WEIGHTS EQUALS MORE DATES.

(talking about the dried fruit obv)

Aestu · **Posted:** Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:54 pm

What's wrong with that? jeez.

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