Mns says that Jubbergun wrote:
I'm not a homophobe, but what gay people are doing is an abomination of nature and its their own fault that people beat the shit out of them since they want to go against the grain and fuck dudes to be edgy. Also, every statistic and video that doesn't agree with me is liberal propaganda.
You forgot to add how much I hate brown people, and you don't want to do that. All these closet homophobes here might forgive me for being a gaybasher, but they'd never forgive me being a racist...
unless they're all secretly part of the right-wing Foxnews conspiracy!!!Laelia wrote:
The dolphins are having male-on-male oral sex (the researcher says "it's probably just a form of stimulation" - of course it's impossible to tell if the dolphins are actually feeling pleasure but that's the most plausible explanation). The fact that scientists are proposing an evolutionary explanation is irrelevant to your original argument. There are also evolutionary explanations for why there are gay humans. For both species these explanations are basically guesses, and we almost never actually know why a given trait evolved, or if it even evolved for a reason.
I am no expert on dolphin junk, but even the expert on dolphin junk seemed pretty unsure about that. It's just as likely that the behavior is some sort of grooming behavior. How is a large sea animal that can't reach its nasty bits going to clean a slit on its body (think about all the feminine hygiene ads you've ever seen and tell me genital slits of any variety aren't going to need some maintenance)? They're going to clean it by having their life-long pal nuzzle it out, that's how.
Laelia wrote:
You misread the description. The "prevailing view" you mention is not that these behaviours don't occur, but that they are mistakes or not actually sexual in nature. Since you were looking for evidence that the behaviour occurs and not the motivation (which we cannot really know), I think the existence of a book that documents such behaviours in hundreds of species answers your question.
I didn't "misread" anything. The reviewer's opinion was quite clear. They made note of how the author's view was not in line with (at least what has historically been) that of the rest of the scientific community, and then attempted to explain that the difference was only the result of bias and bigotry that gripped other members of the scientific community but didn't yet have the dear enlightened author in its clutches. Unless/until I read said book, I can't give any more credence to the assertions it makes than I can to the idea that the earth is only a few thousand years old and that Jesus killed the dinosaurs with his lazer-vision.
Mns wrote:
You know what, guys?
I bet there's some kids out there that are hardwired to rape, so since we're gonna allow two consenting people of the same gender to fuck and marry, we should legalize rape.
What about the guys who might be hard-wired to kill the people they're fucking? Might as well make murder legal too, considering there's no difference between two same-sex people in a healthy, loving relationship and people abducting, raping, torturing, and then stuffing women into pickle barrels.
I know you're being sarcastic, but that's my point. Forty years ago, that idea that two men wouldn't be jailed for having sex with each other was unthinkable. It was socially (and morally?) unacceptable. As a society, we have, for good or ill, whatever the reason, allowed that standard to erode. I would like to believe that we have done this for the good, and that our reason for doing so is that it is more morally repugnant to interfere in a person's life by regulating their consensual sexual behavior than it is for said person to have sex with another member of their own gender.
When advocates for the homosexual community leave the "consenting adult" argument and open the "we're born this way" can-of-worms, there is the danger that if that is the argument that furthers the acceptance/endorsement of homosexuality, then any group of deviants and/or nut-jobs could reasonably make exactly the same argument, and expect the exact same benefit(s) by doing so.
Your Pal,
Jubber
