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Because the majority doesn't make right.



The Pentagon report shows 70% of military personel have positive or no opinion on ending dadt.

This 'majority' argument is foolish, protecting the rights of the minority is the entire point of the Bill of Rights, and it doesn't get more American than that.



I'm not even going to bother reading past this unless you're saying that people who are unable to conceive should be treated like lesser people.

Dvergar /
Quisling

Show me that the military will be better for it. People's lives depend on this decision if it in any way affects the fighting ability of the military, not just peoples feelings.

You've actually already had this argument with Laelia, our resident biologist and, pretty much like everything else, you did nothing but argue the sources and plug your ears.

EDIT: Do you even know what "nurture" means in a psychological sense? Do all of those gays that come from incredibly conservative families just be gay to be ironic?

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Chances are we'll get more soldiers because of this. Not to mention there's the whole idea of not treating gays like second-class citizens in this country. I guess the military didn't get statistically more effective when blacks were let in, does that mean we should repeal that as well?

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[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Mayonaise[/armory]
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Jerkonaise[/armory]

Was the military better for racial integration?

No one's life depends on this decision, and the thought that it will is ludicrous. People aren't going to start coming on to their squad during a fire-fight. If you really think our military is so poorly trained and incompetent that some dudes sexuality is going to be interfering with their abilities when they're being shot at, then I guess I just have a higher opinion of our fighting men and women than you do.

And yes, the top level generals (logiticians and big-picture types who are far, far removed from the average soldier) don't want their manly wargames to be sullied by pink M16s. These same types that didn't think to bitch about un-armored humvees with aluminum for doors. Better armor doesn't help soldiers, knowing the next guy won't talk about his sexuality, that's the kind of thing you need to speak up about.

Dvergar /
Quisling

I'd just like to ask all of the homophobes in this thread as to when the exact moment was when you sat down and made an informed decision to be straight as opposed to being gay.

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[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Mayonaise[/armory]
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Jerkonaise[/armory]

When instead of seeing their grandma naked, they saw their sister.

When I started tea bagging your mother. If I decided to tea bag your father, or you, then that would be the moment I decided to be gay.

See how that works?

PS: Mayo is a Conservaphobe/Straightaphobe/Republiphobe

You didn't answer the question honestly though, since everyone has tea bagged Mayo's mom.

When did you REALLY decide to be straight? Did it happen in grade school? Did you wake up one morning when you 8 and think "you know what, I think I like girls!"

According to your logic, every gay person goes through that similar thought process.

but your balls wouldn't have touched his father's had you teabagged him, so it wouldn't be gay!

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sunshine.kittens.bubblegum.happythoughts

He had sex with multiple men, then decided he enjoyed women more and chose that route.

speaking of WASPs, i found out yesterday that i used to live in the same neighborhood as john boehner

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sunshine.kittens.bubblegum.happythoughts

I actually think you'll get fewer soldiers if its repealed.

there's a lot of homophobia in this country, and I'm almost willing to bet theres a higher percentage of homophobes than homosexuals.

I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be repealed, because frankly i don't give a shit, but I don't see how it could improve the military.

I think all people are born straight unless there is some defect (chemically or otherwise), which would make them birth defects as Jubber said. If the person is free of any defect then there is a natural inclination to be attracted to the opposite sex; however, there may be a point where that person chooses to hook up with someone of the same sex - that's when they choose to be gay.

So, I guess straight people don't choose to be straight - it's the default setting for most people.

Seriously though, i can offer some perspective here because I used to be pretty homophobic myself (if you go to an all-boys catholic high school, being homophobic comes with the territory)

I just never understood being gay. I mean...dicks are gross, boobs are awesome. Why would anyone opt for dick?

Then one day my cousin, who I had been really close to (basically like a brother) comes out to me (we were having a conversation and I was basically saying i don't get being gay...).

It took a bit for it to process...then I realized he was still like a brother to me, still one of my closest friends...not an evil social degenerate who just wanted to touch dicks all day.

So I asked him:

"I just don't understand being gay. Why would you choose to be gay?"

He goes:

"You know that crush feeling you get when you like a girl?"

"Yeah"

"Well, I get those feelings for guys. Can you control those feelings you get for girls?"

"No...."

"Exactly."

I'll never forget that conversation. That's when I realized it's not a choice.

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So, when I first hooked up with a girl, it was just a natural default setting that I was attracted to her. I didn't "choose" to be straight by kissing her. However, if I was attracted to a dude, and hooked up with him, it would be me actively ignoring the natural default setting and "choosing" to be gay?

To sum up your argument:

You can't choose to be straight, but you can choose to be gay.

My argument:

That's retarded because I don't think anyone "chooses" who they are attracted to. If you could...I sure as hell would have only chosen to be attracted to girls that really liked me throughout my whole life. I would have never had to deal with unrequited love. Man, gay people really have it all figured out...choosing to be attracted to whoever they want.

DA/DT has nothing to do with gay being a choice/natural.


For whatever reason, they're gay, and want to openly serve in the military.