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One of my profs has full sleeves. He usually wears long-sleeved shirts when teaching, but it hasn't affected his career at all.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

I imagine a tattoo only affecting the getting of a job if it's above the shoulders.

maybe?

I think they mean in the real world.

He said professional jobs. How many professional jobs are part of the "real world"?

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College, at least here, is hardly the real world. I've never met more space cadets than when i was in college.

Were you attending space college?

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No. UNCG. maybe its different in canada, but america college is a big business, I posted a link to a report on how college loans are a bubble not unlike the housing market in a nother thread, too lazy to find it. Literally anyone can get into college, and 90% of the people i went with were either druggies, idiots, or those fucking fresh out of high school kids who already knew everything.

And the professors are culled from that population.

Professors have Ph.Ds, and Laelia is a grad student in a hard science.

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How does being "big business" make college less of the real world? Sure there are all sorts of people at colleges, but there are also lots of future lawyers and doctors and whatever "real world" professionals you care to name, as well as future profs. Attending college is a prerequisite for almost any professional job, and college professors are the ones teaching them. I'm still not seeing how this makes teaching college less "real" than any other professional field.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

I had more experience with liberal arts students, so that would be who in particular i have an issue with.

Because college is not results-oriented. There is no "bottom line". There are no tangible objectives.

Something being a prerequisite does not mean it is a sine qua non. That is why we have the "college bubble".

Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode about a pretentious jerk who through chicanery gets an expensive suit, and is therefore a shoe-in for a good job? Point was, the suit didn't change the fact he was a pretentious jerk with no skills or wisdom. College degrees are like that.

Having a college degree is no different than ghetto kids with gold chains. A massive waste of resources that serves as nothing more than a status symbol.

And yes I agree. Hard sciences degrees are good and substantial, provided they are from institutions with serious hard science programs. But then again, how many Americans go into science? One of the defining characteristics of this "bubble" over the last few decades has been a dramatic decrease in the number of science majors.

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This is a different discussion entirely, and I can't really address critiques of US liberal arts colleges. Furthermore, the specific tattooed guy I was talking about is a science prof, and a rather good one at that. However, even if a college degree isn't worth much, I'm not sure how that makes what colleges do any less "real world". Whatever it's value, there's a lot of time and money tied up in higher education. Many medical treatments prescribed by doctors don't work well, and I doubt many people would argue that everything lawyers do contributes to the betterment of society. All of these are still considered professional jobs, though, which was the original point of the discussion.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

I feel that college professors couldn't make it in the real world.

Those who can't do, teach.

edit: again, liberal arts.

They make it in the part of the world they're supposed to make it in - the teaching college part. But what is the "real world" according to you?

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