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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:58 am  
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Aestu wrote:
1. Not intended for public consumption
2. Not intended to defame the speaker by way of misrepresentation (vs satire)
3. This is America and no one ever gets convicted of libel


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Yuratuhl wrote:
Aestu wrote:
1. Not intended for public consumption
2. Not intended to defame the speaker by way of misrepresentation (vs satire)
3. This is America and no one ever gets convicted of libel


Damn, well good thing I didn't try to take Aestu to court on Jubber's behalf.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:23 pm  
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We should take up a collection. I'm sure Aestu being involved in legal proceedings would be high comedy.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:48 pm  
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Considering I have at least some grasp of logic, yeah.

Honestly though I think you have enough common sense to not engage in mindless contrarianism and substituting insults for arguments in a courtroom where you could get slapped with contempt of court. This is also why right-wingers fear and hate the legal system and those who work in it: circular logic and half-truths don't go very far, courts won't accept facts contradicted by other facts as proof of a position.

Basically the thinkers in the room would bat you around like a ball of yarn and you'd go home mad.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:56 pm  
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Funny you should say that, because the reasons I thought you being in a courtroom would be a farcical good time was because of your mindless contrarianism and circular/insane "logic." I imagine you'd be one of those people the judge would be constantly picking up his gavel to silence for speaking out of turn, or even if you did manage to contain yourself you'd come unglued every time someone took a reasonable argument over whatever nonsense you were offering. It's probably a good thing we'll never know.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
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Jubbergun wrote:
mindless contrarianism and circular/insane "logic."


In this very thread I supplied primary sources to support my view about "60-100 years ago" and the role of government in tech.
What sources and evidence have you supplied?

Do you really think the judge will accept,

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I had a nuanced and intelligent response to that last post, but I stopped in to the (LOL) "marine corps is a buncha mercenaries" thread first, and after that it occurs to me that I've already more than made my point and anything else I add is just feeding chocolate and sugar to idiocy. Honestly, that really illuminates how pointless it is to try to help you see the light of day.


as a valid response to facts that disagree with your position?

Like I said, I don't seriously believe you're stupid enough to try that in a courtroom. But it is all you have. Which leads me to believe that you would probably turtle up and get batted around.


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3. This is America and no one ever gets convicted of libel


Isn't libel a civil matter, and ergo there is no conviction?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:10 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Jubbergun wrote:
mindless contrarianism and circular/insane "logic."


In this very thread I supplied primary sources to support my view about "60-100 years ago" and the role of government in tech.
What sources and evidence have you supplied?

Do you really think the judge will accept,

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I had a nuanced and intelligent response to that last post, but I stopped in to the (LOL) "marine corps is a buncha mercenaries" thread first, and after that it occurs to me that I've already more than made my point and anything else I add is just feeding chocolate and sugar to idiocy. Honestly, that really illuminates how pointless it is to try to help you see the light of day.


as a valid response to facts that disagree with your position?

Like I said, I don't seriously believe you're stupid enough to try that in a courtroom. But it is all you have. Which leads me to believe that you would probably turtle up and get batted around.


You can bait me all you'd like, I'm adding nothing more to the previous conversation. It only serves to feed your insanity. If we all stop arguing with you, you'll eventually dry up and blow off to a place where someone else will. You require the validation. I don't. It is pointless to argue with someone who changes their mind about fundamental principles at the drop of the hat in order to support whatever they're arguing for in a given instance, and I'm certain you wouldn't be able to help yourself but to do that in an official setting, as you have here.

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Aestu would certainly opt to represent himself in any courtroom setting. I imagine the result would be something similar to this:



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:21 pm  
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I asked you two cogent questions:

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1. What sources and evidence have you supplied?
[None.]

2. Do you really think the judge will accept this [example cited] as a valid response to facts that disagree with your position?
[No.]


And based on the expected answers to two rhetorical questions (a tactic I frequently apply, considered valid in a courtroom but you object to), I made a contention:

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I don't seriously believe you're stupid enough to try that in a courtroom. But it is all you have. Which leads me to believe that you would probably turtle up and get batted around.


To which you replied,

Jubbergun wrote:
You can bait me all you'd like, I'm adding nothing more to the previous conversation. It only serves to feed your insanity. If we all stop arguing with you, you'll eventually dry up and blow off to a place where someone else will. You require the validation. I don't. It is pointless to argue with someone who changes their mind about fundamental principles at the drop of the hat in order to support whatever they're arguing for in a given instance, and I'm certain you wouldn't be able to help yourself but to do that in an official setting, as you have here.


If you offered this response to a cross-examination you would almost certainly be slapped with contempt of court because you are challenging the examination process.
That aside:

If this were a courtroom, I'd ask which fundamental principles you are referring to.
A court of law would accept that as a valid response.

I could also point out that your response is not a valid response to a line of questioning.
A court of law would also accept that as a valid response.

You say I couldn't function in a courtroom yet you object to those maneuvers which are most common in that setting and find it impossible to counter them on the same terms.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Part of This Is...
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But....
Aestu wrote:
This isn't a court of law.


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Well, to quote the only person you ever consistently agree with,
Aestu wrote:
This isn't a court of law.


No one is suggesting you're incapable of engaging in legal proceedings because you don't understand how they work. I'm suggesting you're incapable because you're incapable of interacting properly with other people and you're a petulant child who can't deal with being told "no" or "you're wrong."

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Jubbergun wrote:
No one is suggesting you're incapable of engaging in legal proceedings because you don't understand how they work. I'm suggesting you're incapable because you're incapable of interacting properly with other people and you're a petulant child who can't deal with being told "no" or "you're wrong."


Watch that video I posted. Haha


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Jubbergun wrote:
Well, to quote the only person you ever consistently agree with,
Aestu wrote:
This isn't a court of law.


No one is suggesting you're incapable of engaging in legal proceedings because you don't understand how they work. I'm suggesting you're incapable because you're incapable of interacting properly with other people and you're a petulant child who can't deal with being told "no" or "you're wrong."


Not a problem. Saying your opponent is "wrong" is not a valid response in a courtroom.


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Aestu wrote:
Not a problem. Saying your opponent is "wrong" is not a valid response in a courtroom.


I've said far more than "you're wrong," but you'd have to start accepting some troubling truths if you allowed yourself to perceive more of what's said than "you're wrong."

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