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What do you mean by "direct social connotations"? Jews have a shared 3000 year history, and frequently during that history have suffered discrimination due to their "arbitrary distinction". For many of them, Christmas means Chinese food while the Goyim do their thing - I think that's a pretty clear social distinction. As for "implicit differences in interest", I'm pretty sure hanging out at a bar with women is something many guys are interested in as well (also, they don't invite our male gay friends).

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Are we all assuming the Jewussians were going skiing and ONLY skiing, or could there have been some group matters to discuss at a dinner or perhaps some Torah passage readings in Russian along the way? (I'm sure any of that wouldn't be interesting to the athiest.) No one here can possibly know except for Dek, and that's all based on what his friends told him about the trip... and that's if they told him everything about the trip, too. Then again, I can't expect he honestly answer that, even if he knew, since he's been trying to hard to make those brats look bad to people on an internet forum.

Kind of like when Christian/Jewish youth groups usually have conversations about God during secular activities or when people that are from another ethnicity talk about gossip from people within their own communities?

EDIT: They probably don't invite anyone else because they care about their friends having a good time, and being the only dude there that doesn't speak russian/isn't jewish is kinda awkward when everyone else is speaking russian/going through prayer.

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There's acutally a Seinfeld episode parodying this because it's such a ludicrous argument. Jews of any given nation have much more in common with the cultures they live in than they do with other Jews, discrimination is largely obsolete as a concern, and Jews in general don't have common social trappings.



That term is obsolete and offensive, and the idiom you raise is something of an inside joke. You don't understand Jewish culture.



Most of these Russophiles don't speak Russian at a serviceable level anyway and they aren't doing "prayer".

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By direct social connotations, I mean that gender defines the way interpersonal interactions and communications happen.

Men with men, typically, do not involve sexual tension. Women with women as well. Men with women introduces that aspect. So a group of all women is very different in the ways they will interact than a group of men and women.

I know a lot of Jewish people that don't share any Jewish culture whatsoever. I know a Jewish guy that makes a point to go get pulled pork bbq on the high holidays just as a joke because he's only Jewish by birth, but has never been remotely introduced to actual Jewish culture or religion.

But he would be invited to a Jewish group. By right of his birth, not by right of his culture or his religion or any ACTUAL factor that might say something about who he is.

Being Jewish by birth does not say a single thing about you as a person, at all, except who your lineage is from.

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Most of the people in these specific groups I've encountered are atheists.

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Most of the religious youth groups you've encountered are atheist?

I feel like you're not from the South.

I'm not trying to make anyone look bad, these people are actually my friends, who I've said many times (but you apparently don't want to let this fact into your perception because it overthrows most of your premise) I have no strife with. I have not been excluded from any event that I particularly wanted to go to, the discussion was purely intellectual about the morality of arbitrarily ethnic groups.

But to answer your question, no there is no chance of that happening. They are not a group that has business to attend to, nor are they religious. Like I said a second ago most of the ones I've met are atheists, and a few of them are practicing Christians who are Jewish by birth.

I can't state enough, there is no meaning to the Jewish part. It does not tie them together in any meaningful way.

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They aren't religious groups. They are ethnic groups.

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Speaking of, go to Meetup.com and search for Athiest or White groups. You'll probably find one in your area that won't leave you behind on the next party trip thing. (You can find groups for all types of similar interests...)

yeah you guys can go see majestic vistas and thank the complete accident that it was for the beauty that it is.

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I stopped taking this seriously right here. Gender isn't any less "arbitrary" than ethnicity or any other dividing factor.

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I'm not talking about the people that think they're Russian, I'm talking about people who don't speak english in their house and get pissed when you don't eat food in their house.

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I think you're devaluing the role a person's cultural heritage can have. Certainly for some people it's irrelevant, but those are probably not the people joining Jewish social groups. You mention your friend who deliberately eats pork on holy days - clearly he recognizes some of the elements of his own culture, even if he doesn't view them as important. My own heritage is Dutch, and there are things I share with my Dutch friends that my other friends don't get. They aren't necessarily obvious or particularly important, but there are things like certain foods, phrases and jokes that I only share with friends who have the same heritage as I do.

You clearly recognize that gender can influence social interactions, but whether you see it or not a shared culture can too. I don't disagree that interacting only with people of the same culture can be limiting, but wanting an environment where you can hang out with people who have shared cultural touchstones doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. Bringing an outsider into a group interacting around shared culture (even if the nominal activity isn't directly cultural) could be just as uncomfortable as bringing a guy into a group of women interacting around their shared gender.

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