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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:15 am  
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People are so impatient.

Also, 2 slots open for my group, if anyone wants to join a Monk and DH.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:17 am  
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I wanted to be able to play solo but noooooooooooo you have to log in to the internet to not play with anyone.

stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:23 am  
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WE WON. THEY LOST. THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT.

I'll level Gbn some more. She's p hot.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:40 am  
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Pasty pom chicks are severely underrated. Perhaps inevitable since you can only smell them in person, and only if they just took a shower, worked out, or it's raining.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:56 am  
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I don't want to play this anymore.

The login screen will make me cry on Inferno.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:56 am  
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Blah me and a couple guildys have made it to the char screen but we have not been able to get through the next login server "request timed out"


Fake edit: Blah !! got a new one !~! "Unable to create new hero due to party state" comes with all new "All your buttons are greyed out forever" feature ! /Alt F4


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:58 am  
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DoubleH wrote:
Blah me and a couple guildys have made it to the char screen but we have not been able to get through the next login server "request timed out"


Fake edit: Blah !! got a new one !~! "Unable to create new hero due to party state" comes with all new "All your buttons are greyed out forever" feature ! /Alt F4


I'm waiting for the wiped hard drive complaints.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:03 am  
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http://www.error37.com/

it's alright. this is the future of gaming, because people actually support always online shit.

it'll be real cool 10 years from now when you actually can't play this game once again, because they'll stop hosting for it.
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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:13 am  
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Grimmgor wrote:
it'll be real cool 10 years from now when you actually can't play this game once again, because they'll stop hosting for it.


No, in ten years, the Punjabis will own the gaming industry and game text will have three times as many occurrences of the letter "u".


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:16 am  
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Grimmgor wrote:
http://www.error37.com/

it's alright. this is the future of gaming, because people actually support always online shit.

it'll be real cool 10 years from now when you actually can't play this game once again, because they'll stop hosting for it.


Diablo 2 was released more than 10 years ago.

Hell, Diablo 1 servers are still active I believe.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:25 am  
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those aren't remotely the same. they go through old bnet, which is just a glorified chat lobby with the ability to send maps to people/connect to each other.

you didn't lag on bnet 1.0 because blizzard servers couldn't handle it. you lagged because of a shitty host.
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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:37 am  
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I think you're overstating your case. Server hardware is expensive; keeping it running in the basement is not. D3 is a Blizzard cash farm but the cost of keeping the servers running is so low that any gain, however marginal, from selling even a few boxes or MTs ten years down the line outweighs the cost of energy and snoozing interns keeping the servers up.

Are there any examples of plugs being pulled on any older or newer game for any reason?

The only examples I can think of are bankruptcy related (e.g., Interplay) - is that what you're alluding to? Or are you basing your claims on sheer greed / indifference?


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 3:39 am  
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it probably won't happen with D3, but yes, it has happened to others. some games that are under 2 years old. my point was that, because this game will sell on hype alone, more people will see this as the way to go, and it's utter horse shit. it's not an argument that comes from the fact i pirate shit, either.

mass effect 3's servers will inevitably go down in less then a decade. sure will be fun building galactic readiness at that point, should someone choose to go back and play it. you know, like everyone does with older RPGs.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/01/e ... madden-09/
http://kotaku.com/5894547/ea-takes-down ... even-games

it's just another thing to add for people who look back. "Remember when you put in a game and played, and didn't go through 4 ToS, unskippable logos", etc. Remember when you didn't fucking lag in a single player game because you're downloading something?



a good video on my opinion of modern gaming.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
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Bluntly, your example is stupid.

Activision-Blizzard is bad but they're not the gong show that EA is (those guys are really in a class of their own).

D3 is not comparable to a bunch of annual sports games and Dance Studio 1 Trillion.

Mass Effect? Completely comparable to EQ/SC1/etc for the reasons I described. I just went to Target and saw copies of Fallout 1/2 and SimCity 4 for sale. As long as there's some residual revenue to be had selling hits from 5-10 years ago, those servers won't go down.

That applies to Mass Effect and not to any of the annual sports/racing games or total joke titles you listed.


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 Post subject: Re: @Diablo 3
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 4:04 am  
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A professor suggested I go into the video game industry. I responded with a 25-page-long narrative on why that was a stupid idea. I was going to copypaste it here and then was like, "eh..."

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...So what's the connection? Like I said, video gaming is a deeply dysfunctional industry. At the bottom, there are vast numbers of fans just looking to get in the door, and at the top, there are clueless managers that are utterly out of touch with the field. The result is stasis. Real problems get ignored, good ideas die fast, and instead there's just more of the same. The ones who rise to the top are the ones most willing to keep passing the garbage down. You probably see enough (and more every day) in education. I have come to realize that both are microcosms of bigger problems in society.

Rather than fix the dire problems with the game by hiring competent writers, programmers, and project managers, the producers of the game try to push the tripe to new audiences, by unimaginatively courting specific groups. Recently, they've made a very obvious push to women by way of hiring on feminist community figures, making lame pitches and instigating false controversies. This does nothing to fix the underlying problems with the product, nor is it even a viable strategy: my experience leads me to believe that women are no more positively indicated for the style of gaming World of Warcraft represents than they are for any other pursuit that is defined by typically male behavior. They'll buy it for the hype, play a few months, and leave.

Meanwhile the industry as a whole sinks further into the swamp as its core constituency goes back to playing games from 10-20 years ago. This leads to bizarre economic situations such as used copies of older games with a seven-digit production budget selling for five times the price of brand new games with nine-digit production budgets, even though the marginal cost of production (burning more CD/DVDs) is exactly the same (about a dime). It's a study in dysfunction....

...So, that's an experience I recently had, and I think you should bear it in mind when recommending the field in the future.


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