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Because there is at least as much evidence to indicate that people exaggerate the incidence of negative outcomes.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You mean it hasn't been proven that he killed the people because of Sarah Palin's map or because of something someone at Fox News maybe said? The things you said before you started to back-pedal to some "let's all be friends" position made it sound like the guy left a note saying Sarah Palin sold him the gun.

Don't try to act like you're better than anyone who made those maps or engaged in whatever rhetoric because you've tried your hardest to politicize this tragedy with your own rhetoric.

This is the point I was trying to make with that statement, btw. Crazy is as crazy does, and if someone takes a metaphor like that map and takes it literally (considering it has iron sights and a list of names, I don't know what other literal meaning it could have) and people end up dead, calling people idiots doesn't help a damn thing.


I wasn't aware "let's stop painting bullseyes on people" is a political agenda, but thanks for letting me know.

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The whole point is that the effect of false negatives is often much smaller than the effect of false positives when dealing with rare events. Using the numbers in my example, with a 0.1% true incidence, 0.5% false positive rate, and 50% false negative rate, our survey would suggest an incidence of ~0.55%. With a false negative rate 100 greater than the false positive rate, we're overestimating the true incidence by 5.5 times. Even if we were missing all of the true positives (100% false negative rate), we would end up with ~0.5% apparent incidence on the survey, 5 times greater than the true incidence. Obviously false negatives are more important when dealing with more common events, but that's not what we were discussing here.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

Like I said, where was the civility during the previous administration... or any other week leading up to this assassination attempt? You've always been quick to call anyone who opposes your own world view as ignorant, racist, bigotted, xenophobic, etc. You have a hate for the Right, conservatives and Republicans so much so you immediately thought that the gunman was a Tea Partier. I'm sure a few people around this forum have targets on their heads in your mind... What does that say about you, Mayo? Tired tactics are tired.

In addition to what USD, Rath and others have said, you were wrong. (Well, probably.)

The woman you think should share some of the blame while seemingly having nothing to do with this event has a little bit of wisdom you might be capable of learning from - if you can let your pride and ego go for a moment to actually consider what she's saying...



Oh, and because you keep asking... here is the 'punish our enemies' line. When you click that link, please read what Jon Stewart says about it at the bottom of the page.[/url]

Reagan is dead wrong and the proof is that other societies don't have these problems. People like listening to that BS because it makes them feel smug and complacent.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Sure, ok.

Edit: What other societies? Are you implying no other society has violent crimes or attempts at political assassinations or violence against political figures? Also, are you saying that if you point a sabre at an individual that society thrust it through their chest and not your arm? (Get it?)

Problem with Reagan is he ignored the effect poverty and a lack of security has on criminality.

@usd pfft, who reads shit that doesn't support their preconceived conclusion?

Seriously though good interview on npr today with a linguist from berkley:
1. This level of rhetoric is nothing new.
2. Republicans bettet package their communication for sound bites.
3. The message conveyed by both parties is equally vitriolic and appears to be caught in a cycle of one-upsmanship.
4. Americans have a high level of comfort with gun/combat language given our history and the romanticization of periods like the wild west.
5. Nobody thinks palin's map is even casually associated with the shooting.
6. Palin's recent reference to a blood libel displays her ignorance of the significance of the term or her stupidity for using it if she wasn't ignorant.

Seems about right to me.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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If society says "dont murder people," and you go murdering people, how is society responsible?


A person SHOULD be accountable for their own actions. Every time. If they are incapable due to mental illness etc(cuz i know you fuckers will nitpick) then whoever is responsible for them legally should be held accountable.

I don't think anyone is saying criminals shouldn't separated from society our that they shouldn't be compelled to make reparations for the harm they've caused; but we as a society need to be aware of the effects of our policies on criminality and ask ourselves how far we want to go to mitigate the problems our policies encourage.

"It's the law, tough shit" doesn't address the issue, it just allows people to feel morally superior.

In context, if my kid needed a life saving surgery that was denied by our insurer and I exhausted all legal means to get her that surgery, everything from theft, extortion and more violent options become on the table.

I agree to that sure. Unfortunately, the "John Q's" (thank you denzel) don't really exist it anything even APPROACHING relevant numbers.

There are not nearly as many Robin Hoods as criminals and defense attorneys would have you believe, just like there aren't nearly as many bad apples as Brimstone Priests and Prosecutors would either. But the amount of idiots and/or crazy people is staggering.

No one wants to date a weird looking bald dude with bulging eyebrow ridges.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

I've got a guess!

:p

Really though, the whole situation is very sad. His parents are sitting there asking "where they went wrong." Ummmmm.... not taking him to see a psychiatrist or a doctor is where you went wrong.

I also don't get why anyone is still talking about Sarah Palin. It became very clear early on that not only was he NOT a tea party member, but if he did ascribe to a political party he came to it by way of the far left. The media should have shut up about the "connection" and focused more on the people that were killed. I think it is terrible that the congresswoman was shot, but 6 people, including a conservative judge, died. Wasting breath on partisan BS when it has no part in the tragedy and is just a red herring bugs me.

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