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 Post subject: Who Needs Civil Rights?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:32 pm  
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-wh ... 01063.html

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In a devastating 5-4 ruling that not only condones an overreach of state power but legitimizes what is essentially state-sponsored humiliation and visual rape, the U.S. Supreme Court recently declared that any person who is arrested and processed at a jail house, regardless of the severity of his or her offense (i.e., they can be guilty of nothing more than a minor traffic offense), can be subjected to a strip search by police or jail officials without reasonable suspicion that the arrestee is carrying a weapon or contraband. The five-man majority rationalized their ruling as being necessary for safety, security and efficiency, the government's overused and all-too-convenient justifications for its steady erosion of our freedoms since 9/11.

This ruling stems from the case of Albert Florence who was erroneously arrested for failing to pay a traffic fine and forced to submit to two egregious strip and visual body-cavity searches at two different county jails. Ironically enough, the supposed crime for which Albert Florence was arrested (having an unpaid traffic fine) is not a criminal offense in New Jersey, while being strip searched for something other than a crime is a criminal offense. Florence, an African-American man in his mid-thirties, was on his way to Sunday dinner in 2005 with his then-pregnant wife and 4-year-old son when they were stopped by a New Jersey State Police trooper. Florence's wife was driving. However, after showing his ID, Florence found himself handcuffed, arrested and taken to jail. After spending six days in jail, Florence was finally able to prove his innocence.

Outraged, Florence sued the jail officials who had needlessly degraded his bodily integrity. A federal appeals court sanctioned the blanket strip search policy, which was then affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court. In a nutshell, what Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, writing for the majority, concluded was that it is impractical -- "unworkable" was the phrase used -- to expect overworked jail officials to have to take the time to distinguish between harmless individuals guilty of nothing more than driving without a seatbelt and those who pose a true threat and may be reasonably suspected of carrying drugs or weapons.

Of course, the Constitution insists that a workable solution must be found -- one that squares with the Bill of Rights. But in an age when the courts show greater deference to bureaucracy than democracy, making life easier for harried jailers trumps the Constitution. Consequently, any person who is arrested, no matter how minor the alleged criminal act, can now be subjected to a degrading strip search. Examples of minor violations which could now lead to a strip search are many and include "violating a leash law, driving without a license and failing to pay child support."


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:15 pm  
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I am going to once more prove that I am right about everything.

I'm going with the cops here.

How do you determine who is and isn't a threat, based on fair, objective criteria? The answer is - you can't.

If the cops had the power to choose whether or not to strip-search individuals, that discretion would be subject to abuse. Not only could they abuse the power to harass people by deviating from a standard policy, some people would be treated better than others, or allowed the means to bring in contraband or even legitimate items of value that could be traded to other prisoners.

So I agree that everyone who is arrested should be strip-searched. The question, then, should not be whether the cops strip-searched unlawfully, but whether the arrest was unlawful, or whether the citizen's human and legal rights and personal dignity were violated. If they were, then the cops should be punished. They should be fired, fined, and permanently barred from holding positions of public trust.

Speaking from experience, I remember when I was arrested, these cops got their jollies by making a body cavity check more "involved" than it had to be, making me stand naked in a cold room for over ten hours, and dragging me around by the hair.

They did this believing they would get away with it.
They were wrong, although they do not realize it yet.

I know the names of those responsible, and I fully intend to one day force them to watch as all but one of their sons and daughters are torn to pieces with sharp metal hooks and mountaineering cables.

After they watch their families suffer such a gruesome fate, I intend to then give them easy jobs paying seven digits a year.
I do not intend to harm a single hair on their bodies.

But that is a digression. And of course I'm only kidding.

Anyway, I believe the real purpose of this article is as a sort of red herring. Truth is, shit like this happens every day, and most black people in this country have had an experience like that or know someone who has. This article is remarkable in its banality, and I believe it's meant to distract from the real injustices that are pervading our society - the abuses committed by feminists, capitalists, and the military-industrial complex.

The news won't cover those big important issues for fear of alienating powerful interests, so instead they look for outrages that aren't likely to piss the consultants and lobbyists off.


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:45 pm  
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yeah ok


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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Days behind.

It's not quite as bad as it sounds. The search is only permitted incident to booking; you won't get searched if you're just being ticketed or even if you're arrested and then released. The police/jail officials have the option to search your ass (literally) without cause once you're being processed for entry into a jail, but not before.

My concern isn't so much the invasiveness (which is a given) but rather the inevitable incidences of abuse that'll get this legislated away into oblivion by any Congress, regardless of party splits. In a year, the statistics will clearly show that:

a) black males get subjected to it more frequently than non-black males.
b) attractive females of any race are always searched.

And you can bet that the first time a pretty white girl who gets booked erroneously and is searched in such a fashion by a cop or detention official, there'll be riots.


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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Coincidentally I said to myself earlier today "There has to be more to this, maybe Tuhl knows.".

It makes more sense now, and I find my worries in the same boat as Tuhl's.

Also, finally a perk to being fat and ugly.


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 Post subject: Who Needs Civil Rights?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:48 pm  
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>>implying law enforcement can't already / doesn't already do just about whatever the fuck they want with hardly any consequences


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:51 pm  
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/04/five-former-new-orleans-cops-sentenced-in-hurricane-katrina-shootings/

I almost said something about another case, but that would probably derail the shit out of this thread.


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 Post subject: Who Needs Civil Rights?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:56 pm  
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Show me a civilian who gets 6 years for assistance covering up multiple murders.


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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"Ok we aren't such things and birds are pretty advanced. They fly and shit from anywhere they want. While we sit on our automatic toilets, they're shitting on people and my car while a cool breeze tickles their anus. That's the life."
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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:16 am  
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Battletard wrote:
Show me a civilian who gets 6 years for assistance covering up multiple murders.


Pretty much every CEO doing business with Nigeria is guilty of criminal conspiracy to commit murder. I was reading an article yesterday about a hedge fund manager who got 45 days of community service for a hit and run on a cyclist (survived, luckily) and then eluding pursuit from police (which is a felony), because the prosecutor decided he was too important and should only be charged with a misdemeanor. That said, drawing parallels isn't going to accomplish anything. Whether or not rich white people can get away with crimes should not play at all into our observation of police excesses.

The problem isn't so much whether the police conduct occurs (that's an empirical fact) but when it is so egregious that it becomes illegal. State laws may constrain what cops are allowed to do*, but under the Constitution, they can get away with so much shit you wouldn't even start to believe it.

*because state constitutions and legislation are always allowed to give people more rights, they're just not allowed to remove any that are federally mandated. The US Constitution is the minimum amount of rights possible, so to speak.


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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You thought TSA was bad?


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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i can appreciate a hot girl like the next guy, but i honestly wouldn't find it arousing to dig in their ass.


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 Post subject: Re: Who Needs Civil Rights?
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Dotzilla wrote:
i can appreciate a hot girl like the next guy, but i honestly wouldn't find it arousing to dig in their ass.


Visual inspection only, but it's not limited to that particular body cavity.


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