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 Post subject: Happy Holidays!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:31 am  
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Also, interesting article about Mary Jane and College Football, specifically at the University of Oregon:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... n-magazine

Obviously ESPN media members are biased against it and completely ignore that many more college students/football players binge drink all the time and struggle with alcoholism...but whatever.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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The war on drugs is a white noise machine.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Agreed.

I think it's also pointless...or at least pointless as a result of its current execution.

What is it really accomplishing? Drugs are still available and it's a war that is clearly not being "won". All it's doing is wasting tons of $$$$$

I'm not saying legalize everything and give up trying to regulate...but I'm just not seeing the benefits of the "war" in its current form.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Drug dealers should be crucified.

Drug purchasers should be sentenced to forfeiture of children, fines that scale with income, and a year in a labor camp.

Growing tobacco and weed should be legal.

Punishments should be automatic and non-discretionary to prevent social bias.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:26 am  
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I got my eye on this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Mns wrote:
I got my eye on this thread.





I actually agree with most of what Aestu is saying here...so don't you worry!


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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It's funny how we didn't have an extensive drug problem in this country until we started prohibiting and over-regulating drugs. Just like we didn't have an extensive alcohol problem until we fucked up and let women vote us into prohibition. At least common sense eventually prevailed in the case of alcohol (at least until the prohibition-in-drag of groups like M.A.D.D. showed up). If we were to legalize and properly regulate cannibus and narcotics, people would lose interest, and the fees and taxes on the shit could fund treatment programs. There's just too much money tied up in the privatized prison industry, and our obsessive American prudishness combines with our honest concern for our fellows in a way that won't allow us to admit that sometimes just allowing people who are dead-set on destroying themselves to do so might be the lesser of all possible evils.

Drugs are bad, M'kay? But our drug policy is much, much worse, M'kay? So don't do drugs, M'kay? Or they'll send you to prison for twenty years over a bag of weed so you can be raped repeatedly by your cell-mates, M'kay?

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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Only if you're black.

Possession as a white kid in a decent neighborhood is a warning or a fine for something unrelated. Possession as a black kid in any neighborhood is possession with intent to distribute, enjoy your 2-years-in-prison plea bargain because it beats the 10 years you'd get if you tried going to court.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Yuratuhl wrote:
Only if you're black.

Possession as a white kid in a decent neighborhood is a warning or a fine for something unrelated. Possession as a black kid in any neighborhood is possession with intent to distribute, enjoy your 2-years-in-prison plea bargain because it beats the 10 years you'd get if you tried going to court.


This.

Another reason why the war on drugs is stupid and Weed should be decriminalized. Cops use its status as a way to arrest minorities for minor weed offenses and throw them in jail.

http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/ch ... id=4198958

Interesting article on the "grass gap" in Chicago's north side versus Chicago's south side. Because I'm white and live on the north side - I am significantly less screwed, and less likely to even be arrested for having some marijuana on me.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Marijuana is illegal
Alcohol is fine and dandy though, despite all the DUI related deaths and injuries.

Gambling is illegal
The government runs two major lotteries

We can 'bring democracy to Iraq'
But not Sudan.



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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Jubbergun wrote:
If we were to legalize and properly regulate cannibus and narcotics, people would lose interest, and the fees and taxes on the shit could fund treatment programs.


China tried this, or rather was compelled to. It didn't work, and that's why they fought the Opium Wars. After they lost, things went steeply downhill.

And that is why, today, China has some of the most draconian drug laws in the world - and some of the lowest rates of abuse.

Jubbergun wrote:
our obsessive American prudishness combines with our honest concern for our fellows in a way that won't allow us to admit that sometimes just allowing people who are dead-set on destroying themselves to do so might be the lesser of all possible evils


Actually, the reverse is actually true. American society is the most atomized in the world. Most cultures, both current and historical, consider our seeming indifference to others' lifestyles and ideas to be morally aberrant.

How women behave these days is a manifestation of that "every man for himself" American mentality.

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Drugs are bad, M'kay? But our drug policy is much, much worse, M'kay? So don't do drugs, M'kay? Or they'll send you to prison for twenty years over a bag of weed so you can be raped repeatedly by your cell-mates, M'kay?


It worked in Singapore. It works in China.

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It's funny how we didn't have an extensive drug problem in this country until we started prohibiting and over-regulating drugs. Just like we didn't have an extensive alcohol problem until we fucked up and let women vote us into prohibition.


Both are a myth. What happened, in both cases, was people had cash and the desire to spend it on improving their life satisfaction.

Bars opened to let American workers drink themselves down, and the Mexicans send drugs into this country because of how overpowered the American dollar is. Americans do this because Americans are profoundly unsatisfied people. Same as the Russians. Do you think they're a nation of alcoholics because of liquor laws, or because they're terribly unhappy people because their country is fucked up?

Jubber, you know firsthand that people do drugs because they're bored and/or hate their lives.

That is why I believe that the long-term answer to the drug problem is fundamental social change to make people feel more satisfied with life.

This is why the French have the answer to the drug problem. They are very good at enjoying life. They know how to make the most of every day, they understand that stability is more important than growth, and that constants are more pleasant in the long run than change. This is why French drama is typically deeply personal and very human and doesn't suffer from the unreality and pettiness of American drama. This is why French cities and estates change so little over hundreds of years. This is why Americans can't own something for five years without selling it or running it into the ground, but the French can.

You are going to roll your eyes, but that is the honest truth. France has the answer. We need to learn to love life the way they do, not through drugs and escapism, but making life more livable.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Azelma wrote:
Yuratuhl wrote:
Only if you're black.

Possession as a white kid in a decent neighborhood is a warning or a fine for something unrelated. Possession as a black kid in any neighborhood is possession with intent to distribute, enjoy your 2-years-in-prison plea bargain because it beats the 10 years you'd get if you tried going to court.


Another reason why the war on drugs is stupid and Weed should be decriminalized. Cops use its status as a way to arrest minorities for minor weed offenses and throw them in jail.


I completely agree with this. The war on drugs has descended through selective enforcement into nothing more than a means of petty harassment.

I believe this is because of the moral decline of white America, how white Americans have become increasingly self-absorbed and completely uninterested in anything other than their own pleasure and dodging the moral and economic costs of building this country. It's decadence, plain and simple.

Hence I believe the answer is automatic, extremely harsh sentences.

I believe that execution is not an effective deterrent for crimes like rape and murder because people who commit those kinds of crimes are crazy. Those people aren't afraid of going to the pen or on a cross. It is a very effective deterrent, however, for people who do things out of greed or self-indulgence. Especially if it is as gruesome as possible.

Hence I believe that murderers and petty criminals should be guillotined. Drug dealers should be crucified. Embezzlement, securities fraud, corporate mismanagement, and draft-dodging should be punished by hanging.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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Battletard wrote:
Marijuana is illegal
Alcohol is fine and dandy though, despite all the DUI related deaths and injuries.

Gambling is illegal
The government runs two major lotteries

We can 'bring democracy to Iraq'
But not Sudan.

Follow the money.


Apathy is more dangerous than death.

This is also why I believe that within 20 years, the big money will succeed in making weed legal, and we will see things go sharply and further downhill than most people today can imagine.


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 Post subject: Re: Happy Holidays!
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I guess my question, Aestu, is that given Alcohol is already legal and already abused by people who are apathetic - do you think marijuana legalization will have that much more of an impact?

People are already apathetic and abusing legal substances (alcohol / tobacco) - so what's one more on the pile?


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Azelma wrote:
I guess my question, Aestu, is that given Alcohol is already legal and already abused by people who are apathetic - do you think marijuana legalization will have that much more of an impact?

People are already apathetic and abusing legal substances (alcohol / tobacco) - so what's one more on the pile?


They aren't the same and shouldn't be compared as such. It's precisely because marijuana is so much safer and less physically damaging that it's more socially dangerous.

Misery, pain, and suffering, and freedom, democracy, and human dignity, are mutually inseparable.


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