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 Post subject: math help
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:39 pm  
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i haven't taken math since my sophomore year of HS (i'm now 27) where i got a D in geometry. i have consistently failed all subsequent math classes and have extreme troubles with understanding basic concepts. my little brother, who is currently getting an A in static calculus just spent 45 minutes helping me do basic square root equations.

ANYWAY. i have to take a college math placement exam and i REALLY want to place into statistics, which is what i need to take for my degree. if i can't place into it, it puts my whole schedule off. if any of you know some great resources (online is ok, but books are better) that help people who struggle with math please let me know. it sucks because i enjoy math. i enjoy the reward of solving a puzzle and the feeling of knowing what you have to do and working out the problem, but my mind just doesn't function that way. perhaps i never learned to train it or i don't know. i don't really believe in dyscalculia. any help would be very much appreciated.

also, you mathfreaks, go ahead and make fun of me for this if you want. you will never know the sheer humiliation of standing at a register and someone handing you change after the computer has calculated the total and you have absolutely no clue what they want back. they just look at you, raise their eyebrows and say, "you give me 15 cents back". exalt in the sense that you will never know that feeling.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:48 pm  
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I freely admit that I do greatly exalt in that exact thing, lol. Very often. <_<

I recommend starting from the ground up. Don't try to skip steps.
Do you know times tables? Can you do basic algebra?

If not, get some middle-school workbooks and do the exercises. I learned math on the Real Math series from the 1980s and I still believe it is by far the best math curriculum out there.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:01 pm  
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Hmm this could also be useful for me.

I should be working on my math to be ready for calculus in September.



edit: I will say though, almost all math I've encountered could easily be solved with dimensional analysis.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:21 am  
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Aestu wrote:
I freely admit that I do greatly exalt in that exact thing, lol. Very often. <_<

I recommend starting from the ground up. Don't try to skip steps.
Do you know times tables? Can you do basic algebra?

If not, get some middle-school workbooks and do the exercises. I learned math on the Real Math series from the 1980s and I still believe it is by far the best math curriculum out there.


i know my tables. i don't remember how to add/divide/multiply/subtract fractions, which is seriously setting me back. i also can't remember how to do long division. all of these i have no problem understanding, it's just been almost 20 years since i did them. i know and can grasp basic algebra. although i start to get lost around distribution. if i can successfully plate a transverse femur fracture with k-wire and an external fixator, then i can surely simplify some square roots. it's just a matter of having the tools, which i currently do not possess.

so you'd recommend i start with an algebra workbook? i don't need to learn elementary math, as it is simple enough for me to grasp, it's just a matter of remembering the proper steps.


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 Post subject: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:58 am  
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I'm pretty goddamn bad at math as well. I know dat feel.

The fact that I have bad hearing really fucked my math up.

If you are learning low level concepts, and you advance without a solid understanding of the previous concepts, everything goes to hell in a handbasket pretty quickly.

As Aestu mentioned, start with your highest level math you're comfortable with and advance from there.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:41 am  
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I can help, hit me up. I'm not some math genius, but it always came to me quite easily.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:11 pm  
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Sounds like you need some Pre-algebra as well, if you're not comfortable with fractions. It only gets worse the higher you go.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:28 pm  
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Khanacademy has a video series on math and it has step by step lessons so you can track your progress. I am a math tutor and I frequently recommend it to the students I teach if they have a question they need help with immediately during the middle of the week. The only problem is some people (myself including) dont like the writing program they use to write out the math work.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:31 pm  
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mazeltov wrote:
The only problem is some people (myself including) dont like the writing program they use to write out the math work.


This is what RealMath did very well. Extraordinarily well.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:57 pm  
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Also I would not recommend overestimating your math skills. One of the biggest problems with the students I work with is that they don't really "know" their squares, multiplication tables etc. They think they do or they think well I can just use a calculator. The problem with this is that when it comes to factoring (which is one of the most important concepts from Alg 2. (I think this is on most math placement tests for college) they are unable to factor quickly and end up getting stuck on problems for much longer than they should. Especially when it comes to negative numbers.

Some good example problems of this would be:
What are two factors of 24 that add to 11?
What about two factors of -16 that add to 6?

These should take no more than a few seconds.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:59 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
mazeltov wrote:
The only problem is some people (myself including) dont like the writing program they use to write out the math work.


This is what RealMath did very well. Extraordinarily well.



http://www.amazon.com/Real-Math-Stephen ... 897&sr=8-1

Is this the RealMath that you are talking about? SRA Real Math. I ask because I have 2 boys I am tutoring over the summer and I want to go back to the fundamentals for them because that is what will ultimately trip them up.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:52 pm  
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That's the same series, by the same author, but I learned on a much older version that I am positive has been pulled from shelves because it used a very literacy- and logic-intensive approach.

It included long written vignettes with beautiful illustrations (about a page and a half each) with recurring characters such as Mr Strange and things like magical islands, counting change, and logic puzzles such as arithmatic problems with inkblots covering some of the numbers (forcing the student to work backwards and thus develop a holistic understanding of the concepts).

If you can, try to hunt down an older version. It looks like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Real-Math-Stephen ... 0812605055

Other grade levels have yellow, green, blue or red stripes along the cover.

The way the elementary school I attended taught math was to pair this textbook with review through the Kumon system. This offered an excellent balance of teaching in the abstract and testing in the concrete.

..........

One day, a Kumon executive came from Japan to hand out commendations to those who achieved a certain level of skill. I stood next to the other students, but was not given a commendation, despite meeting the skill criteria. (I was sat in the fourth-grade classroom, two grades above my age group, and studied alone). I am still not sure whether the Japanese guy made a mistake, believed I was too young to properly be there, didn't like me for some reason, or was testing my restraint (as Japanese like to do).

In any event, I said nothing and just stood next to the other students and waited. After the event, I inquired of a teacher why I did not get a prize. A few weeks later, a box for me arrived from Japan, containing a beautiful gold, red and blue lapel pin in the shape of the United States, with a US flag motif and a dotted "K" in place of the stars. I kept it for many years, but I think my parents threw it away with the rest of my collection of things.

Shortly thereafter, my father became so blind he couldn't work as a doctor anymore. He loved practicing medicine as an infectious disease specialist in general practice, and this broke his heart. He became extremely inward looking and I became like the overgrown puppy. He lost interest in my life. I still feel very strongly I lost a lot of potential. This causes me deep sorrow and regret. I wish my parents had done more with my potential.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:20 pm  
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I actually did those factors in seconds!

Am proud of myself!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:53 pm  
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http://algebralab.org/

my teacher from high school created a web program for our physics courses, then they branched into algebra and made this one here. i haven't really checked it out, but i'm sure if you go to "lessons" you'll find at least something worthwhile.


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 Post subject: Re: math help
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:47 am  
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I spent way longer than i should have initially because when i saw factor, i thought of those factorial things i barely remember. You know, those things with the !
Yeah.


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